Andyreas
Moderator
Moderator
They basically want to turn poker into bingo.
Chebchoub
Poker is one of life's mysteries
Loyaler
We will see more changes in traditional poker in the future. We will also change to the point where we will get bored playing traditional poker, whether online or live.
I believe that this strategy, currently adopted by most rooms, will evolve the game of poker to a stage that will make us reckless gamblers without us even realizing it.
For me, currently, I see that ACR still maintains traditional poker more than other rooms.
I believe that this strategy, currently adopted by most rooms, will evolve the game of poker to a stage that will make us reckless gamblers without us even realizing it.
For me, currently, I see that ACR still maintains traditional poker more than other rooms.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
The single table KO games were just a variety of regular 6-man and 9-man games, which they still have. So I cant imagine, anyone will miss them to much. The real problem is, that most single table SnGs have been raked to much since the changes last year. The lightning shootouts seem like a really bad format, but the mystery bounty game is just a $5.5 On Demand bounty MTT slotted in between the existing $3.3 and $11 games, which they still offer.
I actually thought for a while, it would be cool, if they added a $5.5 game to fill the gap, and now they did. The fact, its mystery bounty, is kind of whatever for me. Sure it introduce an extra element of luck, but it might also attract more bad players, and if people dont like it, they can just continue playing the $3.3 and $11 games.
I actually thought for a while, it would be cool, if they added a $5.5 game to fill the gap, and now they did. The fact, its mystery bounty, is kind of whatever for me. Sure it introduce an extra element of luck, but it might also attract more bad players, and if people dont like it, they can just continue playing the $3.3 and $11 games.
Claudiunm
Legend
Platinum Level
For me, rooms are always trying to make the game more balanced between good and bad players. The reason: if this balance isn't there, the good and very good players will crush the weak players and withdraw money from the room. This is bad for the rooms for two reasons:
1. Rooms don't want players to withdraw. They want us to deposit.
2. Weak players will lose interest in depositing if they always lose.
Therefore, the more the tables feel like crazy shootouts, the better for the rooms.
1. Rooms don't want players to withdraw. They want us to deposit.
2. Weak players will lose interest in depositing if they always lose.
Therefore, the more the tables feel like crazy shootouts, the better for the rooms.
KrazyKoo
Legend
Platinum Level
I miss them, I preferred them over the regular ones and they were my most played format on Stars
BUT....
You are right, after the rake changes I stopped mostly playing them & stopped playing overall on Stars just like many others did too. After the rake changes the 6-man hyper KOs felt pointless, if you'd lose 3 and then win one you would still usually end up in negative unless you did all 6 knockouts. Feels like the games were already raked to death and this complete removal of them is symptom of that.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
The turbo 9-man KOs were still running somewhat regularly, and it would clearly have been better, if they stopped removing games and instead added new games. But I think, SnGs are moving more and more towards On Demand games. I see that on ACR Poker as well. So maybe at least give us more On Demand games to choose from, which they did with the $5.5 mystery bounty game. I actually think, I will be playing this regularly, if it runs. On Demand is essentially the replacement for the old 45, 90 and 180 mans.
primrose
Visionary
Bronze Level
What are on-demand games? Aren't all sit&go's definitionally on-demand (as opposed to scheduled tournaments)?
zorro222_zorro222
Legend
Platinum Level
Keeping up with what pokerstars is doing is like watching the Titanic slowly sinking.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Its a SnG with late registration. Some have a maximum number of players, others do not. Recently PokerStars even changed their 18-mans to On Demand games. They now begin, when 12 players have registrered, and then registration closes after 15 minutes, or when 18 people have entered. They almost always quickly fill to 18 players, so the difference to the old 18-mans is minimal.
Most On Demand SnGs dont have a guarantied price pool, but the PKO and Mystery Bounty on PokerStars do. For the new $5.5 Mystery Bounty game its $1.000. So its basically a $1.000 guarantied turbo MTT, which will begin, when 60 people have registered, rather than at a set time. And then registration for the next one will open, when late registration has closed.
On ACR Poker most On Demand games begin, when 6 players have registered, and there is no maximum, so they can end up with anything from less than 20 to more than 100 players depending on game type, buyin and time of day. On ACR registration for the next game open, as soon as a game has begun, so you can have multible similar games running with late registration open.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
The $5 "ligthning shootout" has 9% rake, so basically the same as the $5 9-45 man On Demand turbo or the 9-man turbo before the rake increase last year. But instead of 75BB starting stack and 5 minute blinds it has 10BB starting stack and 2 minute blinds. So an absolutely terrible game, that should only be played for entertainment. The $5.5 Mystery Bounty game is ok though and at least for now more popular than the old PKO games.
Goggelheimer
Legend
Platinum Level
It works, look at GG Poker.They basically want to turn poker into bingo.
A Danish ex PokerStars Pro said on the question how he likes GG-Poker something about the games and structures there (his $100 to $1K Challenge).
They are set up in a kind of way the recreational gambler will and can stay longer because it is more bingo (he wins despite he is playing bad).
This means stack size and speed of tournaments is optimized for such a bingo play.
You end up mostly in much too fast in a push or fold state.
I can’t say or prove it, but for me the dealing looks suspicious.
The miracle run-outs where big pairs loose against any bad AX is much too high.
It happens much more than the expected 12-13% of the times that another ace hits the board.
In my feeling based view, it´s about 30%.
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wushibala
Rock Star
Platinum Level
I don’t really have many big hero folds to brag about, but I do want to mention something cool I noticed. On PokerStars Sit & Go’s they now have some really fun formats — like the $1.10 SNG with 40 players. If you make the top 6, you win $9.45. I don’t think many other sites offer tournaments like this, so I find them pretty great."
machinm19
Visionary
Platinum Level
Prophet
Rock Star
Bronze Level
Pokerstars used to be my number one place to go, but they lost a lot of ground against GGnetwork , having just 10% active users
I still think PS software has the most slick and clean look but their tournaments don't bring as much value as they used to, remembering how we used to play 10-15k gtd with a $1.10 buy-in , now the same tournaments have 300-500 gtd.
And to reply to the previous answer....888 has been trash and is looking more and more like a scam , with that second-hand software)
I still think PS software has the most slick and clean look but their tournaments don't bring as much value as they used to, remembering how we used to play 10-15k gtd with a $1.10 buy-in , now the same tournaments have 300-500 gtd.
And to reply to the previous answer....888 has been trash and is looking more and more like a scam , with that second-hand software
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
When they did the rake "adjustments" for single table SnGs last year, there was actually discussion / speculation here in the forum, that the real purpose was to kill them off, presumably in the hope of pushing people over to other more rake generating formats. And if we look at the result so far, they are at least half way there. Not only are the KO games now gone, all the regular speed games are also gone, and above $25 only HU and 6-man remain.
Presumably the regular speed games were removed, because they never ran. But its no wonder, they never ran, when you had to pay 16% rake for $5 9-man. On ACR Poker, where the rake for all turbo and regular speed tournaments is a uniform 9,1%, the $6.6 regular speed 8-man is at least as popular as the $6.6 turbo. So clearly the excessive rake did not generate more income for PokerStars but acted as an excuse to remove regular speed games, when they no longer ran.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
ACR Poker has gotten a lot of stick for their 4+ hour late registration periods, and in my opinion rightfully so. As a response to that? they have introduced some "lightning PKO" games, where you start with 10BB. They basically run every hour, but there is very little player interest in them. So it seems like, there is a limit to, what poker players will accept, which is a good thing.
KrazyKoo
Legend
Platinum Level
Called it!
They removed The Lightning Shootouts.
Funny they didn't add anything to replace these
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
I guess, they need some time to think about, what that might be. But good that players rejected a game with 10BB starting stacks and 9% rake.