Wasting TimeBank. Is that really clever?

[aorodrigo]

Maybe that will be polemic, but is it really cleaver to spend all your available time each hand to let reach final stages of a tournament?

I think that depends on the situation, but, in most cases, does not worth it.

At Turbo and ST tournaments blinds increases really fast, so I think the more hands you see before they eating you is better. Let's suppose each blind takes 2 full hands. If you are at button, it will take just 4 hands until blind goes up and up and up again.

I was playing 888 freeroll right now, first 50 wins $109 ticket. There were still 200 players left, blinds ULTRA high and players burning their time. For me that's not make sense. If there were 60-90 left, ok, but with 200 it's preferable to see more hands rather than letting those BB hitting you.

What are your toughts? You also use timebank for this porpouse?

 

[bowserdon]

IF your bankroll is low but large enough to make it to the money maybe ,but like you ii WUD rather see more hands ,A A lol

 

[MAFNL16061986]

depends on if you are close to the itm mayby then its a smart move

 

[Rory59]

Absolutely it can be useful, but it depends. If you’re near the money bubble and blinds are short, and late registration is done, like you say 1 or 2 minutes on 888, why would you NOT want to waste every available second when 100+ players disappear every minute

It is tricky though, and not always advisable. Sometimes if you are sure you will make the $ within 2 orbits , you do want to rush things along , so your turn in the BB is at the lower amount. Then assuming you still got crap cards, you go through both blinds, and even if you’re down to 0.6BB or something similar , you are good for at least 4 more hands of antes and , presumanly, make the $

 

[Mazembe]

Maybe that will be polemic, but is it really cleaver to spend all your available time each hand to let reach final stages of a tournament?

I think that depends on the situation, but, in most cases, does not worth it.

At Turbo and ST tournaments blinds increases really fast, so I think the more hands you see before they eating you is better. Let's suppose each blind takes 2 full hands. If you are at button, it will take just 4 hands until blind goes up and up and up again.

I was playing 888 freeroll right now, first 50 wins $109 ticket. There were still 200 players left, blinds ULTRA high and players burning their time. For me that's not make sense. If there were 60-90 left, ok, but with 200 it's preferable to see more hands rather than letting those BB hitting you.

What are your toughts? You also use timebank for this porpouse?

Exactly, burning time is usually done when you are close to the money. You want collision to happen on the tables, so that they can burst and you make it into the money

 

[reska11]

Only when you're close to the payout, or if you're playing multiple tables at once.
Everything else is out of the question, and I really don't know why players do that.

 

[AAluckyQQ]

For me it all depends, its only good for me if your short and close to bubble our then if your short and is a nice payjump coming.
Other than that is no reason to burn time I think

 

[ninocabral]

It depends on the moment of the tournament and your stack, if it's a bubble and you're short it's worth waiting as long as possible for others to fall.

 

[fundiver199]

It depends on the situation, and it is not about "reaching the final stages" but rather about reaching the money. If you are a mid stack with say 25-35BB on the bubble, and to your direct left you have an aggressive "chip bully" with 55BB, then you are in an extremely disadvantageous position, because almost every time, you enter a pot, you can expect to get put under ICM-pressure by the big stack.

Which mean, you might end up putting in 2BB or more and then be forced to fold again and again and again, until now you are no longer a middling stack but a short stack. Or you can choose to not enter any pots at all, but then you still chip down just more slowly. So in that situation it would be stupid to NOT slow down the action, so that as few hands as possible are dealt, while you are in this extremely bad situation.

On the other hand if you are the chip leader with 55BB, then you want to see as many hands as possible and put pressure on other players, so in this situation it makes no sense to stall. And if you have a stack short enough to open shove, like less than 15BB, you typically also do not gain that much by stalling. This is especially true, if you are so short and/or far from the money, that you can not expect to fold your way to a cash.

 

[renisundernet]

Wasting time is random or should feel random, but emotions get in the way. So basically, I can't afford to be immersed into their pace but sometimes I feel like going all in just because. Anyways, gl with such players.

 

[RALF_AK]

...everything in poker is relative and complex... in some phases the time bank is important and close to the ITM, however, with a low stack, sometimes it is an option to use it to gain time and make the smaller stacks move before you...

 

[Igor G]

Yes, it is right to use all possible means, within the rules, to improve your result as much as possible. I don't see anything wrong with that. If using the time bank increases your chances of ITM, then it is definitely the right choice.

 

[Rosylly]

hahaha, that's classic at this point

 

[TheFO0L]

if you are shortstack near icm and doubling dont bring that much to you it's a wise moove

 

[Jessica1507]

I don't think it's that wrong, even though I don't do it myself. But I think it's stupid when the game is hand-to-hand because the next hand won't happen while any table is still in action. I don't judge those who do it, and I've noticed in some tournaments that some players do this with medium or weak hands from the beginning, already intending to fold, just thinking it's funny as a strategy, thinking it will irritate the other players at the table. Their strategy is theirs, and with strong hands they play faster. Not even they notice this, but I noticed. Anyway... their strategy... I don't do it... I just think it's wrong in hand-to-hand.

 

[MK_]

Well no it's not clever to use all of your available time every hand....,

that means you're playing less hands and so is the rest of your table while

the other tables are playing we are waiting...., if it's on the bubble maybe

but every hand all the way through the game no, it's just wasting your time

and everyone elses😎👎

 

[MishkaZL]

Of course, it all depends on the situation.
Personally, for me, in most cases it makes sense because I can justify my reasons. I don't do it just to annoy my opponents. I only do it when I understand that it's an additional chance to move forward.

 

[Cooking]

When it's close to the bubble and I'm shortstack then yes I use all my time bank. But like in your case, using all your time bank probably would not work having still 150 players to leave.

 

[Fosterbio]

Maybe that will be polemic, but is it really cleaver to spend all your available time each hand to let reach final stages of a tournament?

I think that depends on the situation, but, in most cases, does not worth it.

At Turbo and ST tournaments blinds increases really fast, so I think the more hands you see before they eating you is better. Let's suppose each blind takes 2 full hands. If you are at button, it will take just 4 hands until blind goes up and up and up again.

I was playing 888 freeroll right now, first 50 wins $109 ticket. There were still 200 players left, blinds ULTRA high and players burning their time. For me that's not make sense. If there were 60-90 left, ok, but with 200 it's preferable to see more hands rather than letting those BB hitting you.

What are your toughts? You also use timebank for this porpouse?

This is extremely logical, and here's why: for example, you are 10th out of 200 (it is more correct to calculate the average stack and multiply it by 4 t to 200 divided by 50 = 4 and multiply by the average stack, this is the passing stack in the top 50) and then there is no point in risking your life because you are almost guaranteed to get a ticket and your task is to wait until the remaining 150 fly out of the tournament. A similar example: You are at the final table and there are 4 of you left. You have a stack of 30bb, the chip leader has a stack of 45bb, the other two have 4bb and 5bb - it is extremely unprofitable for you to go all-in with the chip leader, even if you have AA. Because there is a very high probability that 4bb and 5bb will fly away before you and you will remain 1 on 1. If you went all in with the chip leader, when your chances of winning are higher, but he runs you over, you will fly out in 4th place, and the players with 4bb and 5bb will get a pay jump.

 

[Cbabycee]

Completely depends on what game where you are in it if you have a huge chip lead in a hyper and all your opponents can do is keep going all in you could use the bank to blind them out I guess. The only time I ever have done it is in satellites when like 20 get tickets and you are safe but on a short handed table:

People who use their time bank every single round in hyper games or cash rush/fast forward are the bane of my life. They usually are multitable players and every single hand it’s full bank and then fold or smash all in - on party if you are BB in rush cash you can’t fold unless the pot is raised (which is also why players limping drives me insane on that game)
If you are playing a hyper you know it’s a fast format, the blinds don’t pause for your time bank so you are stopping players progressing or seeing hands by doing it.

The absolute worst is people who drag the bank when it’s hand for hand arrrghhh do you not understand hand for hand?

If I’m on the bubble and low I might but I would try never to be in that position

 

[Cbabycee]

This is extremely logical, and here's why: for example, you are 10th out of 200 (it is more correct to calculate the average stack and multiply it by 4 t to 200 divided by 50 = 4 and multiply by the average stack, this is the passing stack in the top 50) and then there is no point in risking your life because you are almost guaranteed to get a ticket and your task is to wait until the remaining 150 fly out of the tournament. A similar example: You are at the final table and there are 4 of you left. You have a stack of 30bb, the chip leader has a stack of 45bb, the other two have 4bb and 5bb - it is extremely unprofitable for you to go all-in with the chip leader, even if you have AA. Because there is a very high probability that 4bb and 5bb will fly away before you and you will remain 1 on 1. If you went all in with the chip leader, when your chances of winning are higher, but he runs you over, you will fly out in 4th place, and the players with 4bb and 5bb will get a pay jump.

I read your post after I posted mine and I think I’m saying the Same thing but your version is more professional lol . Agree - I’ve only done it in satellites- other wise id prefer to win on skill rather than hiding - but you should always watch the low stacks and have patience when laddering up is likely for sure

 

[Manjerica1]

in big tournaments, there's always a payjump to be seen...
let's say ggpoker tournaments where's 5000 players, itm starts at 1500 lets say... and let's suppouse the buy in where 10$
and minimum payjump its 17$ to the 1500 players...
and in 1300 payjumps rise to 20$... these 3$ represents 30% of your initial investment...
Lets suppouse in a cenario where u are 1350 players left, and u know that if you tank just enough to get into these payjump, it's a clever ideia, it's money in your pocket by just waiting...
For professionals that play more than 10K tournaments in a year, imagine how bigger would be their ROI if they do that in every tournament...
These small details separete the great from the average

 

[xreiss]

depends on if you are close to the itm

 

[Fosterbio]

as one strong player said "money at the final table is printed by the fold button"

 

[CaioRJ]

Yes, i apply it in Satellites and Bubble
But, you just can apply it if you are in ITM.