Statistics

[Geo90]

Hello!

I bought Holdem Manager 2 a long time ago, I never really used it, I don't understand many statistics and I don't know how I can improve my game with the help of the program

This is the game of the last 4 months the others are kinda lost, at first glance there is too much difference between vpip and pfr i limp a lot i need to pay more attention

WTSD% is very high I expect too many bluffs which is not typical for micro bets, I have to throw much more

In positions BTN is very bad there should be plus one of the best positions there I try to look over the hands to filter well I haven't used pogram much

What do you see in these stats? Where do I start to improve my game? What other stats are worth looking at?

What stats do you guys have?

 

[Flyer35]

I have PT4, which I never use any more. I find a detailed HUD at the table to be too distracting, and the amalgamated stats like you show above to be of no real value. Honestly the only stats I find of any value are VPIP, PFR, 3-Bet & C-bet. All I want to know about other players is how aggressive or passive they are. A HUD can help with that if you've played other tournaments with them and have the historical data. Otherwise just replying on what I see real-time at the table works great most of the time. If you think about it, live professional players have been relying solely on personal observation since the game was first invented.

 

[MK_]

I think it's a good idea to look at the stats of your game... what stands out right away is yeah the wtsd is about double the norm....

and your agg and agg% are pretty low..., the button is also a trouble spot to work on, ... just vaguely from looking at

this I'd say look to raise more and call less, maybe post some hands in the forum for some feedback👍

 

[fundiver199]

Are these tournament hands, since you posted this in the tournament section? As you say, the gap between VPIP and PFR is a bit high. Its VPIP, thats on the high side, so you are probably calling a bit to much and should look to fold more marginal hands, when someone else have already opened. You are already 3-betting quite a bit, so you are just playing a few to many hands.

WTSD (Went to Showdown) is very high, but if these are tournament hands, its probably supposed to be high compared to cash games, because you are playing with shorter stacks most of the time. If for instance two players are all-in preflop for 17BB effective, then they will obviously go to showdown. Whereas if they were 100BB deep with the same hands, they would go postflop, and a lot of the time one of them would bet and make the other one fold.

But if you are to change anything, then the way to bring down WTSD is to bet and fold more and to check and call less. And since you do seem to be a little passive preflop, maybe this tendency also carry over to postflop. So try to find more spots to bluff or bet for thin value and also reduce hero calling especially on the late streets.

Its difficult to say exactly, what the leak is (if any) without more information though, and your sample is definitely to small to dive into results from the different positions. You are actually winning from BB, which is impossible to achieve in the long run, since you literally put in 1BB with random hands out of position. So this is just meaningless variance as is the fact, you are losing from BTN.

 

[Geo90]

I have PT4, which I never use any more. I find a detailed HUD at the table to be too distracting, and the amalgamated stats like you show above to be of no real value. Honestly the only stats I find of any value are VPIP, PFR, 3-Bet & C-bet. All I want to know about other players is how aggressive or passive they are. A HUD can help with that if you've played other tournaments with them and have the historical data. Otherwise just replying on what I see real-time at the table works great most of the time. If you think about it, live professional players have been relying solely on personal observation since the game was first invented.

I didn't bother with them before either, I've been trying to get more into poker lately and I thought it would be easier to filter out the mistakes and improve, I don't understand a lot of the stats either but the stats you listed help me with these decisions about what range the opponent might have now I'm trying to find my own mistakes

 

[steve01991]

stats are ok to use but honestly, i get a read on the table and have more success that way.

 

[Geo90]

I think it's a good idea to look at the stats of your game... what stands out right away is yeah the wtsd is about double the norm....

and your agg and agg% are pretty low..., the button is also a trouble spot to work on, ... just vaguely from looking at

this I'd say look to raise more and call less, maybe post some hands in the forum for some feedback👍

Wtsd is really very high
but if WTSD% = 54% river call efficiency is 1.89 which is very good I see, then the flop turn could be the problem

Should we play more aggressively? Maybe I do call too much


BTN is terrible I'll try to screen for it and look at some more hands

I often upload hands and the help I get there is huge, I'm grateful for it!

 

[Geo90]

Are these tournament hands, since you posted this in the tournament section? As you say, the gap between VPIP and PFR is a bit high. Its VPIP, thats on the high side, so you are probably calling a bit to much and should look to fold more marginal hands, when someone else have already opened. You are already 3-betting quite a bit, so you are just playing a few to many hands.

WTSD (Went to Showdown) is very high, but if these are tournament hands, its probably supposed to be high compared to cash games, because you are playing with shorter stacks most of the time. If for instance two players are all-in preflop for 17BB effective, then they will obviously go to showdown. Whereas if they were 100BB deep with the same hands, they would go postflop, and a lot of the time one of them would bet and make the other one fold.

But if you are to change anything, then the way to bring down WTSD is to bet and fold more and to check and call less. And since you do seem to be a little passive preflop, maybe this tendency also carry over to postflop. So try to find more spots to bluff or bet for thin value and also reduce hero calling especially on the late streets.

Its difficult to say exactly, what the leak is (if any) without more information though, and your sample is definitely to small to dive into results from the different positions. You are actually winning from BB, which is impossible to achieve in the long run, since you literally put in 1BB with random hands out of position. So this is just meaningless variance as is the fact, you are losing from BTN.

Yes, these are the tournaments of the last 4 months, the other hands are gone
I play a lot of low pairs in early position, and a lot of low suited connectors from early position too

Then you should also look at the flop games, when I cold call I fold hard, that's what the stats show

Thanks for the tips I will try to incorporate them into my game

I will keep pushing tournaments and post new stats later

 

[fundiver199]

Yes, these are the tournaments of the last 4 months, the other hands are gone

Ok. For cash games WTSD should typically be around 30%, but as I said already, its logically going to be higher in tournaments due to shorter stacks, which mean less chances for players to see a flop and then push each other out of the hand by postflop betting. So I would not nessesarely get to bogged down with trying to get WTSD down, if everything else looks fine.

 

[Manjerica1]

These are my stats for tournaments... It's not that accurate like PT4 or HM2 but the main stats I want to show you its VPIP /PFR
that we are very similar...
I noticed that your PRF from CO and BTN are very low... this cold be an thing to do better in your game...
Also another thing I want to say, is that you have 23K Hands in total... and as far as I know, we should have at least 100K to have a base on our stats, due to the variance of the game...

 

[Flyer35]

A very important stat to be aware of is shove rate. I'm not sure if any HUDs show that. At some point in every game people start shoving. Some occasionally, some every other hand, some when they are in the blinds facing a steal. It's very handy to know which category players fall into.

 

[Geo90]

Ok. For cash games WTSD should typically be around 30%, but as I said already, its logically going to be higher in tournaments due to shorter stacks, which mean less chances for players to see a flop and then push each other out of the hand by postflop betting. So I would not nessesarely get to bogged down with trying to get WTSD down, if everything else looks fine.

Ok then I will not concentrate on WTSD , I will concentrate on the Vpip and Pfr stats so there is not so much difference,

Do you think the 3bet value is high?

 

[Geo90]

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These are my stats for tournaments... It's not that accurate like PT4 or HM2 but the main stats I want to show you its VPIP /PFR
that we are very similar...
I noticed that your PRF from CO and BTN are very low... this cold be an thing to do better in your game...
Also another thing I want to say, is that you have 23K Hands in total... and as far as I know, we should have at least 100K to have a base on our stats, due to the variance of the game...

Thanks for sharing, I'll compare our Cbet stats, I'm curious I think I Cbet too often

Wow really those PFR % are really poor I used to post a YT video of hand scales there

CO: 33.94°% 44+, A2s+, K3s+, Q5s+, J7s+, T7s+, 97s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, A5o+, K9o+, Q9o+, J9o+

BTN:47.06% 33+, A2s+, K2s+, Q3s+, J4s+, T5s+, 96s+, 85s+, 75s+, 65s, 54s, A2o+, K7o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o

There he used these hand scales for 25 BB, they are about the same as the GTO ranks.
I will also print these 2 positions small and use them to widen the ranges

100K is a long way off, thought I'd share if anything is out of whack with the wrong value it will already be showing up, thanks for your help!

 

[Geo90]

A very important stat to be aware of is shove rate. I'm not sure if any HUDs show that. At some point in every game people start shoving. Some occasionally, some every other hand, some when they are in the blinds facing a steal. It's very handy to know which category players fall into.

Yes it's really an important factor against whom you can call what kind of ranks you can call, just yesterday I had a call like that with a player on the right side and a player on the left side who was sitting out and was constantly pressuring me with allins, I had Q10o which I threw away but I think when I should have called with Q10o with such a wide and frequent push it was 13BB

 

[fundiver199]

Do you think the 3bet value is high?

Its high but not to high.

 

[Geo90]

Its high but not

I see, thank you, as an experienced tournament player, what other statistics do you think a tournament player should look at?

 

[fundiver199]

I see, thank you, as an experienced tournament player, what other statistics do you think a tournament player should look at?

I dont actually use my tracker to look at specific statistics for tournament hands the same way, I do for cash game hands, so I am not an expert on this. But I guess, most of the numbers, that are relevant for cash games, and that you might select to display on your HUD for other players, are also relevant to look at for tournament hands. Like C-bet flop, turn, river, fold to C-bet, overall aggression factor etc.

 

[Geo90]

I dont actually use my tracker to look at specific statistics for tournament hands the same way, I do for cash game hands, so I am not an expert on this. But I guess, most of the numbers, that are relevant for cash games, and that you might select to display on your HUD for other players, are also relevant to look at for tournament hands. Like C-bet flop, turn, river, fold to C-bet, overall aggression factor etc.

OK thanks, I'll have plenty of work to do in the next few days to go through these statistics

 

[Manjerica1]

@Geo90
I imported my last hands into PT4 to have a better look. here are my stats nowadays...


On GGpoker huds that I posted earlier, We could not see de difference beetween CBet IP and CbetOOP for example... look that IP it's much higher than OOP

I'm running ultra maniac god mode there, VPIP 34/24, these last 14.000 hands I played a lot of sit n go's 9handed, So probably this is impacting the total amount of VPIP /PFR

And one thing in particular is that I am playing AVG 1$ tournaments, so the field is pretty soft...
This is my graph from the last 31 days (which is the same amount of 14k hands I pósted up there)



I'm kinda in a upswing moment, so BB/100 and Allin ADJ must be a little bit higher than usual, also 14k hands no that sufficient to analysis my game completely.

If not, my stats are more likely to be like this... VPIP / PFR - 27/19

 

[ArmiSoo7]

I am sorry to tell you, but there is no statistics or training lessons , that can improve your poker skill online. These days basically it is just based on luck!

 

[abu123]

@Geo90
I imported my last hands into PT4 to have a better look. here are my stats nowadays...

On GGpoker huds that I posted earlier, We could not see de difference beetween CBet IP and CbetOOP for example... look that IP it's much higher than OOP

I'm running ultra maniac god mode there, VPIP 34/24, these last 14.000 hands I played a lot of sit n go's 9handed, So probably this is impacting the total amount of VPIP /PFR

And one thing in particular is that I am playing AVG 1$ tournaments, so the field is pretty soft...
This is my graph from the last 31 days (which is the same amount of 14k hands I pósted up there)

I'm kinda in a upswing moment, so BB/100 and Allin ADJ must be a little bit higher than usual, also 14k hands no that sufficient to analysis my game completely.

If not, my stats are more likely to be like this... VPIP / PFR - 27/19 if you are looking free best video editing app for youtube videos then try
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The user imported their last 14,000 hands into PokerTracker 4 to analyze their play, noting a big difference between CBet in position (IP) and out of position (OOP), with IP being significantly higher. They’re currently running a very loose-aggressive style (VPIP 34 / PFR 24), partly due to playing many soft $1 9-handed Sit & Gos recently, which skews the stats. They’re experiencing an upswing, so their BB/100 and All-In Adj. are higher than usual. They acknowledge that 14k hands is a small sample size, and their more typical stats are closer to VPIP 27 / PFR 19.

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Hello!

I bought Holdem Manager 2 a long time ago, I never really used it, I don't understand many statistics and I don't know how I can improve my game with the help of the program

This is the game of the last 4 months the others are kinda lost, at first glance there is too much difference between vpip and pfr i limp a lot i need to pay more attention

WTSD% is very high I expect too many bluffs which is not typical for micro bets, I have to throw much more

In positions BTN is very bad there should be plus one of the best positions there I try to look over the hands to filter well I haven't used pogram much

What do you see in these stats? Where do I start to improve my game? What other stats are worth looking at?

What stats do you guys have?
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I use it while playing most of the times, mark hands to study later, but I want to learn how to study with different filters.
While playing, I use:
VPIP/PFR/3B/Cbet/Fold to Cbet
St/Fold to ST/Call to steal from BB/Resteal from BB
Fold to 3B/Call to 3B (I realized it doesn't make sense to have both of them, since one is 100 less the other one 😅)

 

[Geo90]

@Geo90
I imported my last hands into PT4 to have a better look. here are my stats nowadays...
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On GGpoker huds that I posted earlier, We could not see de difference beetween CBet IP and CbetOOP for example... look that IP it's much higher than OOP

I'm running ultra maniac god mode there, VPIP 34/24, these last 14.000 hands I played a lot of sit n go's 9handed, So probably this is impacting the total amount of VPIP /PFR

And one thing in particular is that I am playing AVG 1$ tournaments, so the field is pretty soft...
This is my graph from the last 31 days (which is the same amount of 14k hands I pósted up there)

View attachment 389904

I'm kinda in a upswing moment, so BB/100 and Allin ADJ must be a little bit higher than usual, also 14k hands no that sufficient to analysis my game completely.

If not, my stats are more likely to be like this... VPIP / PFR - 27/19
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These are very good results, too good even Congratulations!

I'll compare them with my statistics,
my Cbet stats are
Cbet 69.4% Cbet IP 80.2% Cbet OOP 60.3% , I play aggressively, so the numbers may be a little high, especially OOP

That's a very nice graph, congratulations, keep it up!

And how do you see your own statistics, where do you need to improve?

 

[Geo90]

I am sorry to tell you, but there is no statistics or training lessons , that can improve your poker skill online. These days basically it is just based on luck!

I regret to inform you that this is not true. Luck certainly plays a role, but knowledge can reduce the luck factor. Just take a look at the hand analysis forum to see what high-level analyses are available for certain hands.

 

[Luvepoker]

Hello!

I bought Holdem Manager 2 a long time ago, I never really used it, I don't understand many statistics and I don't know how I can improve my game with the help of the program

This is the game of the last 4 months the others are kinda lost, at first glance there is too much difference between vpip and pfr i limp a lot i need to pay more attention

WTSD% is very high I expect too many bluffs which is not typical for micro bets, I have to throw much more

In positions BTN is very bad there should be plus one of the best positions there I try to look over the hands to filter well I haven't used pogram much

What do you see in these stats? Where do I start to improve my game? What other stats are worth looking at?

What stats do you guys have?
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Hard to say much more after fundiver responses as he is really great and detailed. 2 things i see, 23.3vip in EP is really high for that position. Worse your open limping or calling 6.9% of the time. Thats huge issue in my opinion. 2nd your playing way to many hands in the small blind. While you can play wider here that's to much especially since you will always play out of position.