Small Ball vs Big Pot Poker in 6-Max

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I’ve been playing low-stakes MTTs for a while and built a decent bankroll. Now I’m wondering: when is the “right” time to take a shot at higher stakes? Do you follow a strict bankroll rule (like 100 buy-ins) or do you also consider skill level and confidence?
 
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Well I'd say the right time is when you can consistently over time beat

your current level and you have the bankroll to move up👍
 
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You have only played 1.044 games on 888 Poker, and while your results are pretty good with a profit of $657 and a total ROI of 34,6%, it is important to note, that all your profit comes from a single large cash in a $16.5 MTT, which you presumably satellited into. And your second largest cash comes from a $55 MTT, which you presumably also satellited into. More than half your total games played are satellites or freerolls, so the number of actual MTTs played is less than 500, which is a very small sample.

So you have not been using bankroll management so far, and while you might not want to hear this, there is no proof in this very small sample, that you are even a winning player in microstakes MTTs. Its entirely possible, that you just got lucky and "binked" in those two games, that you had satellited into, and the "skill and confidence", you talk about, might be more confidence than skill, which is often a receipt for future failure.

Based on, what I can see on sharkscope, my advice to you is to start using bankroll management now, which more than anything else means stop playing satellites and focus on games, that you have enough bankroll to buy into directly. And if you dont find enough games on 888 Poker, then consider moving your money out of that site at least for the time being and play on either GG Poker or pokerstars instead. On those two sites loads of MTTs are running 24 hours.

If you are as good, as you think, you are, your bankroll will continue to grow and allow you to move up further soon enough. But for now with basically almost no experience at all and just a few lucky "binks" coming from satellites, I definitely dont think, it will benefit you in any way to play higher than at most $7.5 or $8.8 MTTs, presuming that your total bankroll is now around $800 including your original deposit.

 
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I looked a bit deeper into your results on 888 Poker, and to do it in a systematic way I found all the game, you played for a higher buyin than $10. There were 10 of those plus what looks like a reenter in a $11 MTT, so lets count it as 11 games. Your total buyin for those 11 games was $234 and your total profit $876 and a fantastic ROI of 274%.

But this also mean, that in your other 1.034 games you actually lost $218 and had an ROI of -14,5%. And while this in itself is not a disaster, it really highlight my point, that you have no track record at all to prove, that you are even a winning player. So rather than thinking about moving up, you should definitely take the money, you got lucky to win in those $16,5 and $55 MTTs and begin to manage it as a bankroll.

I understand, that it feels really good to win $300 or $700 in an MTT. But you need to understand, that your results over just 11 games (including the reentry) are totally dominated by luck. You got lucky to win flips or cooler someone in the right spots, and there is no reason to think, that you play better in more expensive tournaments, or that you should "move up where they respect your raises".
 
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I’ve been playing low-stakes MTTs for a while and built a decent bankroll. Now I’m wondering: when is the “right” time to take a shot at higher stakes? Do you follow a strict bankroll rule (like 100 buy-ins) or do you also consider skill level and confidence?
"shot taking" is not moving up so no need for 100 buy-ins as we would never bust our bankroll "shot taking"
It is important to take shots often when our skill set is strong and we are confident in our Mental Game. We cannot shot take if we play scared.

When we "shot take" higher MTT's we want to play in lower variance MTT's--those are the smaller field MTT sub 500 players. They allow us to get a clearer picture of our skill vs the skilled players at that level of buy-in.

We can also "shot take" and should take those shots in big field MTT 1k+ fields to try to bink a big win---Use satties if you can.

This is an incredible time for poker players. The number of free resources is staggering- what took me a year to learn by trial and error you could learn in a couple of weeks now by targeting info all about the very MTT level you want to jump to. There might be twitch streamers who stream those very MTT everyday. You can watch cards up FT and have solid players explain strat to you on youtube. ETC ETC

Take the time to study the strategy changes first then find a low variance MTT and jump in and play YOUR best game. Then review your play and focus your study going forward on how to adapt.

:unsure::geek:
 
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I’ve been playing low-stakes MTTs for a while and built a decent bankroll.
On 888 Poker, which I assume is your main site, that bankroll seem to be completely gone, since your last 40 or so tournaments were all freerolls apart from two $0.01 games. So apparently you have either withdrawn your previous winnings or lost the money in cash games, casino games or sports betting. And this is, why bankroll management is important. Talking about "shot taking" is pretty irrelevant, if you only have a few pennies left in your account.

So now I guess, its back to start trying to find for instance $50 for a new deposit. And then maybe this time try to manage it as a bankroll. Which could perhaps be easier, if you switch to cash games, because then the game selection is much more simple, and they run all the time. Here is a reasonable plan for building up a bankroll playing cash games:

<$100 - 2NL
$100-150 - 2NL or 5NL
$150-250 - 5NL
$250-350 - 5NL or 10NL
$350-500 - 10NL
>$500 - consider moving back to MTTs.
 
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Solid advice bankroll management really is the key. I like the cash game step-up plan you laid out—it feels a lot more structured than just firing random MTTs. Staying disciplined with limits definitely makes the grind more sustainable. Thanks for sharing this breakdown!
 
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Fundiver nails the path above completely it's the path I always choose as once I reach 5k+ I always withdraw to spend my money. Hell one can even start with $50 at 2nl full-ring. I'd recommend sticking with $100 if one isn't a proven winning player already.

My schedule once I reach $500 is to keep play cash during the week(10nl full-ring) when I have the time and get the itch to play. Save the MTT playing for the weekends when the GTD's are the highest and because I like longer blind level MTT's(10+ mins).

Cheers!!!
 
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I’ve been playing low-stakes MTTs for a while and built a decent bankroll. Now I’m wondering: when is the “right” time to take a shot at higher stakes? Do you follow a strict bankroll rule (like 100 buy-ins) or do you also consider skill level and confidence?
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