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chicubs1616
Visionary
Silver Level
Only call all ins with AKs and MAYBE AQ or AJ suited if its late in a tournament and your opponent is very short on chips and you have plenty to spare. Sutied connectors are the type of hands that can get you into alot of trouble, because they are NOT a made hand unless you hit something on the board. Even a lowly pair of 2's is ahead of a suited connector preflop.
Grumbledook
Legend
Silver Level
I wouldn't generally call an all in bet with suited connecters.
They are better suited (excuse the pun) in multiway pots that you can get in cheap. After you have seen the flop you can decide where to go from there. Generally if someone has gone all in they are going to either have a couple of high cards themselves, in which case you may find you are dominated. Or they will have a pair, either high, then your in trouble, or a low one in which case you are a slight underdog.
Of course sometimes you may get a straight or a flush or even pair one of the cards and win the pot. More often than not though I would say its a -EV play.
They are better suited (excuse the pun) in multiway pots that you can get in cheap. After you have seen the flop you can decide where to go from there. Generally if someone has gone all in they are going to either have a couple of high cards themselves, in which case you may find you are dominated. Or they will have a pair, either high, then your in trouble, or a low one in which case you are a slight underdog.
Of course sometimes you may get a straight or a flush or even pair one of the cards and win the pot. More often than not though I would say its a -EV play.
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moneymadsen
Rising Star
Bronze Level
chicubs1616, even a lowly pair of dueces is ahead of AKs. 
(But I know what you meant)
On a side note though, in some instances when you're getting correct pot odds on your suited connectors it might not be a bad idea if losing the hand won't cripple you by any means. But I personally wouldn't call [an all in] weither or not I was getting laid the right price, especially in a tournament - tournaments are won by playing the better hands, position and your opponent.
-money
(But I know what you meant)On a side note though, in some instances when you're getting correct pot odds on your suited connectors it might not be a bad idea if losing the hand won't cripple you by any means. But I personally wouldn't call [an all in] weither or not I was getting laid the right price, especially in a tournament - tournaments are won by playing the better hands, position and your opponent.
-money
StarlightCoast
Rising Star
Silver Level
I play suited connectors on the button or CO position. Also will play them at MP3 and MP4 if the pot odds warrant it. Never call an all-in with them unless it was only going to cost me very little such as a short stack going all in and it would cost me less than half of whatever blind I already had put on the table.
I think the all-in preflop bet is a desperation play. Granted if you have AA or KK that's one thing, but I see people going all-in with AK and AQ and with 5 cards yet to come it's a toss up. You are much better off, I feel to wait until after the flop to do an all-in, because this way you have only 2 more cards to come and you're in a much better position to see how you stand with what's in your hand as opposed to what's on the board. If your the low stack you have little choice and if you have a lot of money in a tourney it might be worth it to try to eliminate another person, but generally speaking, if some one goes all in on me I have to have KK or AA before I call it. I will also call an all in with 10 10, JJ, and QQ, but I'm not crazy about doing it.
I think the all-in preflop bet is a desperation play. Granted if you have AA or KK that's one thing, but I see people going all-in with AK and AQ and with 5 cards yet to come it's a toss up. You are much better off, I feel to wait until after the flop to do an all-in, because this way you have only 2 more cards to come and you're in a much better position to see how you stand with what's in your hand as opposed to what's on the board. If your the low stack you have little choice and if you have a lot of money in a tourney it might be worth it to try to eliminate another person, but generally speaking, if some one goes all in on me I have to have KK or AA before I call it. I will also call an all in with 10 10, JJ, and QQ, but I'm not crazy about doing it.
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jde_07
Enthusiast
Silver Level
It all depends on my postion and the strength of my hand and chip stack. but A-Ks is about the only one I will call an all in with out thinking too much about it, but it is sitution type thing. But for the most part anything smaller then that I would just lay it down.
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xdmanx007
Legend
Bronze Level
Big slick suited is sometimes worth a "gamble". Suited connectors are drawing hands meaning they all need help to win. So you want to bet accordingly which would be limping in or calling no more than trip blind bet or so. Butted connectors r more valuable than spaced apart ones. You want alot of peeps in the hand because when they hit they will be home runs
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Vicious_Machine
Rising Star
Bronze Level
this forum has to have the tighest players i have ever heard of.....
going back to original question, suited connectors are a decent hand. If you watch the really good poker players, a lot of them will even throw mini-raises in with a puny 5-6 suited. The idea is, if you hit your flush, you want to win a few chips, or your straight for that matter. If i have 5-6 suited, i may only call. But when i'm looking at 9-10 suited, i'm not afraid of doubling the bet. A-K suited, thats an all-in. K-Q suited, if i'm short stack, thats an All-in too. Only 4 hands have you dominated... like somebody said, but thats 4!!! if your going to be that tight, you'll never win unless you have some crazy good luck.
yes... 4 hands have you dominated....
of course not... cause A-K suited... that sucks... who would ever play that
going back to original question, suited connectors are a decent hand. If you watch the really good poker players, a lot of them will even throw mini-raises in with a puny 5-6 suited. The idea is, if you hit your flush, you want to win a few chips, or your straight for that matter. If i have 5-6 suited, i may only call. But when i'm looking at 9-10 suited, i'm not afraid of doubling the bet. A-K suited, thats an all-in. K-Q suited, if i'm short stack, thats an All-in too. Only 4 hands have you dominated... like somebody said, but thats 4!!! if your going to be that tight, you'll never win unless you have some crazy good luck.
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peter1811
Visionary
Silver Level
a suited connector is a dangerous hand and how many time did you have a straight flush or even the flush ?
It's not so much i think....
If it's a high one like A/K - A/J ok , but even K/8 is hard to play...
How many times you see on the table raise and re-raise action about the flush and both come.... One with the k and the other with the a.
It's in my eyes a hard hand to play and it count the same like for all the hands.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO FOLD.
I think that folding is one importand skill you need.....
It's not so much i think....
If it's a high one like A/K - A/J ok , but even K/8 is hard to play...
How many times you see on the table raise and re-raise action about the flush and both come.... One with the k and the other with the a.
It's in my eyes a hard hand to play and it count the same like for all the hands.
YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHEN TO FOLD.
I think that folding is one importand skill you need.....
cjmik
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Position Position Position depending on that stack wise of course suited connectors high or low are a good bet AA KK all need a King or Ace to fall to have a truly dominating Position if I have 8/9suited and go all in and get called with AA or KK you're behind with any hand the key is having outs and when its pre flop all in you just don't know I flop three suited cards and catch a flush or flop two pair or a straight draw and a big pair needs four suits to flush and four cards to straight and you're just left with hoping for trips like if you're all in against KK and you have JJ you need a J to hit or a flush or straight made w/ you're JJ
personally I like suited connectors but I don't put 'em all in pre flop unless I got...POSITION that is one thing you must consider come on we all know this stuff
besides when you're all in pre flop its all on lady luck...just get all your chips in with the best of it thats all you can do:ciao:
personally I like suited connectors but I don't put 'em all in pre flop unless I got...POSITION that is one thing you must consider come on we all know this stuff
besides when you're all in pre flop its all on lady luck...just get all your chips in with the best of it thats all you can do:ciao:
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lacrosse09
Rising Star
Bronze Level
It depends on the situation. Like if you were to call a guy, in desperate need of chips, that would be ok but if you call a big stack when you are mid stack that was a bad call unless they are like ak or aq. That is how i see it.
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kiznik
Rising Star
Bronze Level
If your short stacked, maybe. 4 Hands will have you dominated, but all these hands will have a better chance to win.Vicious_Machine said:
AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010, 99, 88, 77, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22, A2, A3, A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, A9, A10, AJ, AQ, AK.
So, unless you want to go against the odds, probably fold.
Of course if youre the big stacked and it's a small stack going all in, it may be worth it to call an all in to try to eliminate someone from the tourney, but in that case, it makes just as much sense to call with a AQ as it does with a AK, because you are assuming you have both over cards. AQ is better than AK vs KK right? and against AA both equally suck. vs QQ, AK is obviously much better than AQ, but the chances that they have QQ specifically is slim.
The point is, why call an all in? Just wait till a better opportunity. Honestly, you'd be better to try to see every flop until you flop a boat or quads with any cards than calling an all in, right?
If you have a chip lead you have many many hands try to see the flop cheaply, then fold if you don't flop the near-nuts or something like that, rather than taking a chance on eliminating a player.
Heads up is altogether different though. If you have a large chip lead, like 95%, I've put the other player all in every hand consequitively blind, and just waited till he called with a good hand and I was an underdog, but I won, and it was over.
To get back on topic of the suited connectors: Don't call. Wait until you are PROBABLY going to win, as opposed to when there is a chance that you are going to win.
I realize this is a bit scattered and probably dead wrong at points. so please critic my thinking, I'm here to improve!