$6.6 NL HE STT: AK facing pressure on paired board in multiway pot

[fundiver199]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

STT

Buy-in

6.6

Game Options

1. Turbo

Currency

$

Hand is from an 8-man SnG on ACR Poker. Are you C-betting this board into 3 opponents? As played do you call BogeyJack down? BogeyJack was playing VPIP 30 / PFR 5 / 3-bet 2 / AF 2 over a sample of 484 hands.

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (5 ante) - 8 players
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Mishapk (UTG): 2,590 (52 bb)
fundiver199 (UTG+1): 1,992 (40 bb)
Maddog164 (MP): 1,669 (33 bb)
Livinlarge22 (MP+1): 1,388 (28 bb)
BogeyJack (CO): 2,539 (51 bb)
dunkleosteos (BU): 1,818 (36 bb)
Huskers18 (SB): 1,921 (38 bb)
NotB4TheRiver (BB): 2,083 (42 bb)

Pre-Flop: (115) Hero (fundiver199) is UTG+1 with K♠ A♣
1 fold, fundiver199 (UTG+1) raises to 125, 1 fold, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) calls 125, BogeyJack (CO) calls 125, 2 players fold, NotB4TheRiver (BB) calls 75

Flop: (565) 8♥ 8♣ A♦ (4 players)
NotB4TheRiver (BB) checks, fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 424, NotB4TheRiver (BB) folds, fundiver199 (UTG+1) calls 424, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) folds

Turn: (1,413) 2♣ (2 players)
fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 353, fundiver199 (UTG+1) calls 353

River: (2,119) 7♥ (2 players)
fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 1,632 (all-in), fundiver199 (UTG+1)?

 

[puzzlefish]

I think not cbetting here is losing value and just opening yourself up to getting sucked out on by worse hands.

As played I can't see myself folding this on the river. We lose to 8x (maybe 87s?) but the way it was played by villain it looks more like some kind of Ax that's going to be worse than what we hold.

 

[primrose]

Villain bet into three people on the Flop and then barreled the Turn and River. But the problem is that your line doesn't look that strong, so he could go for three streets of value with AQ. He's also the CO, which is important because the CO doesn't have that high of a bar for betting after three people checked to him. If any other player did this, even MP+1, I'd be more inclined to fold. As is, he could both value-bet a weaker Ace and maybe bluff a pocket pair like 99 that's trying to fold out a weak Ace.

So I think you have to call, but -- and I know I'm repeating myself -- but you're really making your life hard by refusing to raise. If you check-raise this Flop and he 3bets, then it's always an 8 and you can just let it go. And if he has the Ace, he's probably going to call the raise and then check down from there.

But I don't agree with puzzlefish that this looks "more like some kind of Ax". If villain has an 8, this line makes perfect sense. So if I'm calling, it's just because I think there are enough other combinations in his range to make it worth it, not because I've somehow ruled out the 8.

 

[Station_Master]

If you check flop its either to xraise or call down, i dont think you can really ever fold on this board with this spr and action.

 

[fundiver199]

Thanks for the comments. My reason for not C-betting the flop was, that it was a multiway pot, and its very much a way ahead way behind situation, so there is not a whole lot of value in thinning the field to protect my hand. If someone have a hand like QJ, they have 4% equity. T9s or TT has 8%. I also think, that if someone behind have a good A, they are likely to bet it themselfes, so I still get value from that part of their range. Not saying that C-betting would be wrong, but this was my thought process.

I did not completely love it, when he tripple barreled, because I agree, that this line makes perfect sense for him to take with an 8. Chunky bet on the flop to get value from AX, which he think, never folds to just a single bet. But then on the turn he realise, he dont have that much left behind, and he need to leave some for the river. So he size down and then jam the river. I can easily see 8X play that way, and a 30% VPIP can certainly flat with some 8X in position.

But on the other side I was the effective stack, so it was only around 1.100 for me to call, which mean I was getting almost 3:1 and only need to be good a little more than 1 in 4 times. And I also agree, that he could still be betting a worse AX for value, especially because he hardly ever 3-bet preflop. So he could even show up with another AK and for sure AQ or AJ. So I called, and here is the result:

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[primrose]

Oddly enough I think your opponent played this hand pretty well. I think if I got to the River with this hand, I'd jam it as well.

 

[fundiver199]

Oddly enough I think your opponent played this hand pretty well. I think if I got to the River with this hand, I'd jam it as well.

Yeah if you want to have bluffs in all situation including one like this, then you definitely need to be willing to sometimes go all the way and fire all 3 barrels. I could be hanging on with a hand like TT-KK, that might be willing to fold at the end, and half pot only need to work 1 in 3 times. Then we can get into the nitty-gritty details about, which hands to bluff with, and an offsuit broadway is just a fold preflop. So already there it goes a little bit of the rails for him, which is not surpricing given his 30/5 stats.

 

[eetenor]

Hand is from an 8-man SnG on ACR Poker. Are you C-betting this board into 3 opponents? As played do you call BogeyJack down? BogeyJack was playing VPIP 30 / PFR 5 / 3-bet 2 / AF 2 over a sample of 484 hands.

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (5 ante) - 8 players
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Mishapk (UTG): 2,590 (52 bb)
fundiver199 (UTG+1): 1,992 (40 bb)
Maddog164 (MP): 1,669 (33 bb)
Livinlarge22 (MP+1): 1,388 (28 bb)
BogeyJack (CO): 2,539 (51 bb)
dunkleosteos (BU): 1,818 (36 bb)
Huskers18 (SB): 1,921 (38 bb)
NotB4TheRiver (BB): 2,083 (42 bb)

Pre-Flop: (115) Hero (fundiver199) is UTG+1 with K♠ A♣
1 fold, fundiver199 (UTG+1) raises to 125, 1 fold, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) calls 125, BogeyJack (CO) calls 125, 2 players fold, NotB4TheRiver (BB) calls 75

Flop: (565) 8♥ 8♣ A♦ (4 players)
NotB4TheRiver (BB) checks, fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 424, NotB4TheRiver (BB) folds, fundiver199 (UTG+1) calls 424, Livinlarge22 (MP+1) folds

Turn: (1,413) 2♣ (2 players)
fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 353, fundiver199 (UTG+1) calls 353

River: (2,119) 7♥ (2 players)
fundiver199 (UTG+1) checks, BogeyJack (CO) bets 1,632 (all-in), fundiver199 (UTG+1)?

Dry board check is fine -large bet - this hand is all about that bet- why would an 8 bet large? Does this player know to only target Ax for value with that size? Is this a -I’m fine with folds bet? River call is based on which has more frequency in your pool