££250 NL HE MTT: HJ shoves post-flop into my AA on BTN v.early in live MTT

[fergysteve]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

£250

PFR

0

Currency

£

Note - this is in a live 2-day MTT, so everything is to best of my memory, but I am pretty sure it's accurate re: positions/action etc.

Early in day 1 (very early, like 4th hand) very little action so far. Stacks all very close to 25,000 starting size give or take a couple of blinds (100/200 (200 BB ante).

Still a couple of empty seats at the table so 6 handed I think. Very little read on anyone yet although first few hands the table seems to follow my experience of these live tournaments in that generally early on there is a lot of limping to see cheap flops and bet sizing is a bit erratic.

Hero on Button. Hole cards come A♣️ A♠️ .

Everyone limps into the pot. Hero raises to 3BB. BB, HJ (villain), CO call. Pot now 13BB.

Flop: 2 ♣️ 6 ♥️ 6 ♣️

BB checks, HJ shoves, CO folds. Does HJ have a 6? maybe deuces? little bit of table talk. Hero decides (?????) they’re bluffing and calls.

Should I have folded?

 

[puzzlefish]

3BB pre-flop open is too small here with everyone limping, I would go for about 10BB to fold out most of them hopefully

I would have probably folded on the flop if I only had one bullet in the tournament. You could potentially run a flush or hit a boat to beat trips. Best case you are playing against a lower pair. Someone jamming at the start of a tournament makes little sense. I don't really care to find out for 250 GBP.

 

[sleepers332]

Just my opinion as have came across this a couple of times and I feel unless he is a maniac which u have played with multiple times its a fold until u figure out the table dynamics better rarely a bluff in my eyes and hoping for a crying call with a hand like you are holding

 

[fergysteve]

Agree with both. Good point regarding my open bet sizing. I suspect she would have folded out for 10 BB and I have just happily collected the limps.

Spoiler: Outcome

LJ shows A♦️ 6 ♠️ nightmare as only 1 ace left.

Turn and river come 10♣️ 3♣️ for the flush and hero doubles up and lives to fight another day. Definitely more luck than judgement

 

[puzzlefish]

Sounds about right.. luckily you got your 9% equity that time.

 

[sleepers332]

Agree with both. Good point regarding my open bet sizing. I suspect she would have folded out for 10 BB and I have just happily collected the limps.

Spoiler: Outcome

LJ shows A♦️ 6 ♠️ nightmare as only 1 ace left.

Turn and river come 10♣️ 3♣️ for the flush and hero doubles up and lives to fight another day. Definitely more luck than judgement

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Agree with both. Good point regarding my open bet sizing. I suspect she would have folded out for 10 BB and I have just happily collected the limps.

Spoiler: Outcome

LJ shows A♦️ 6 ♠️ nightmare as only 1 ace left.

Turn and river come 10♣️ 3♣️ for the flush and hero doubles up and lives to fight another day. Definitely more luck than judgement

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I have 10x plenty of times and they still call noing your opponent is what I find best and seeing what they will call or fold to is key but so early on in the comp it’s impossible to no , last week in my biggest buy in tournament I 4 bets with kings to a maniac and still called with 5-3 suited and flopped an open ended straight draw with back door flush draw afraid the turned killed me even though he was basically all in on the flop , worst thing was I new my opponent and new if I wanted him out of the pit I should have just shoved pre but that’s just another day on the tables

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
As others have said, your preflop sizing is way to small. 3BB is fine with deep stacks, if noone has entered the pot, but with limpers in front of you should at least add 1BB for each limper. And honestly being this deep and with AA and likely against very bad players (looking at what happened on the flop), you can just make it 10BB strictly for value. You would rather take AA to a flop against only a single opponent and with a lower SPR (Stack to Pot ratio).

Flop
So he moves in for around 10 x the size of the pot, which makes no sense at all. Its the kind of play, you will not even commonly see in an online microstakes MTT, but perhaps in a freeroll. It does help, that you have Ac in your hand, because it reduce his equity, if he has a flushdraw, and it also gives you a little bit more equity, if you are behind to trips. Even so I think, its still a fold. As a default we are not looking to stack off for 125BB in a single raised pot. And also if he is bad enough to do this with any hand, you will have plenty of options to win his chips later in the tournament.

 

[primrose]

Preflop you have to raise much bigger, maybe 8BB.

Yeah, so the classic "do you fold an overpair on a paired board" question. If someone raises all-in on such a board, especially against multiple people, then I'm folding (have lost several big pots not doing this). If someone open shoves for a normal amount I'm usually calling. However this is neither of those things; this is an absurdly large open shove. I have zero data points on this, but now I'm interested in looking at the spoiler. I think I'm folding though; if it's preflop then these super large open raises are very strong, so probably on the flop they are as well.