$22 NL HE MTT: Marginal top pair in multiway pot against a maniac

[fundiver199]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

22

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

Hand is from a 22$ BountyBuilder on pokerstars. The opponent was playing VPIP 50 / PFR 37 / 3-bet 27 over 46 hands. Do you fold, call or jam turn?

PokerStars, $20 + $2 - Hold'em No Limit - 500/1,000 (150 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 40,624 (41 bb)
UTG+1: 14,757 (15 bb)
MP: 23,040 (23 bb)
MP+1: 22,621 (23 bb)
CO: 23,965 (24 bb)
BU: 19,952 (20 bb)
SB: 68,875 (69 bb)
BB (Hero): 55,869 (56 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,700) Hero is BB with 8♣ T♣
UTG raises to 2,000, 3 players fold, CO calls 2,000, 1 fold, SB calls 1,500, Hero calls 1,000

Flop: (9,200) 4♠ 2♣ 8♦ (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO bets 1,000, SB raises to 4,000, Hero calls 4,000, 2 players fold

Turn: (18,200) 7♦ (2 players)
SB bets 18,200, Hero?

 

[sergiomatri]

fold or 3-bet fold (in view of my hand), if I just call it will fall on the river, and it seems that he calculated that.

 

[300HPGOD]

I am folding the turn in this spot. SB did check raise the flop no matter how small the initial bet is (min bet makes no sense to me) its still a check raise. Calling flop is fine since even though are hand is not strong we still need to see another street here and cant be folding this easily and to a sizing that is less than half pot going to the flop. On the turn we are now facing a pot sized bet which a bluff is not out of the question but I do doubt it and we have top pair 10 kicker which is not that strong of a hand plus it is vulnerable to a lot of river cards that may not beat us but will concern us at the very least. Villain I also think (but dont know table dynamics or how they play) will not make the river easy on us so we are going to face another bet. Villain also has a wide range here due to a few players being in the pot ahead of them with only a min raise so they could have some two pair combos here as well (especially 87 that nails the turn). Sets would also play like this so it is at least somewhat likely we are up against a big hand here. Another possibility is villain is playing in a way they shouldnt here but has a hand like K8 which we are in trouble against as well. Everything to me points to folding this turn and if they bluffed us here then they did and kudos to them but I think another bet is coming on the river here so I am not calling down with a one pair 10 kicker hand starting at 55 BBs.

Add in that we dont even cover the villain so there is no bonus of potential bounty hunting.

 

[85champ07]

Fold for sure. He/she most likely has a set. Hard to say for sure, but the bet seems to be for value. With the check raise after the flop and the large bet its for sure that he's got a monster pair or managed to score a set.

 

[okeedokalee]

Villain has maniac stats pre-flop but we need to know how good the Villain plays the flop. Is it a continuation of pre-flop or does the Villain start playing poker. A 37% PFR brings the small pairs into play on that flop.
With your hand how many streets of value were you looking for. I suggest the value became dynamic rather than static and you can't keep seeking value with a weak eight, nor can you on that dry board, make a stronger hand fold.
On the river regardless of whether Villain has it or not, can you call an all-in with that weak 8x.

 

[fundiver199]

Villain has maniac stats pre-flop but we need to know how good the Villain plays the flop. Is it a continuation of pre-flop or does the Villain start playing poker.

He was also very aggressive postflop often using very large bet sizes. He rarely went to showdown, because people just kept on folding to him. This is how, he build his big stack. When he bet full pot on the turn I dont think, it makes any sense to call. I would only have around a half pot sized bet left, and I would hate most rivers. So for me this is a clear jam or fold spot. Either he have enough draws or second best pairs in his range, and then I should just jam and force him to make a decision for the rest of my stack. If he fold a draw getting 3:1, thats totally cool, and if he sticks it in, thats also cool. Or his range is skewed more towards strong hands, and then I should fold. My read (possibly somewhat tilt inspired) was, that he was full of it, so I jammed, and here is the result.

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[eetenor]

Great job inferring range by V bet sizing.

 

[Andyreas]

He rarely went to showdown, because people just kept on folding to him. This is how, he build his big stack.

That's what I also see at the micros quite a lot.

It usually works out until someone has a good hands and starts to read this kind of behaviour.

I also might have folded but obviously you made the right decision. 👍

He might have also bet so high in case he hit his flush draw and you'd have folded on the river. But still, maniac type of play here.

 

[okeedokalee]

$22 buy-in a micro tournament?