$22 NL HE MTT: Final table action as second stack against big stack bully.

[Andyreas]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

22

Currency

$

Hey forum,

I would like some feedback on two hands from the FT where I got involved and ended up against the big stack bully chip lead. He's a winning player and plays the big stack position pretty well with a decent amount of aggression (and bluffs).

I am mainly wondering if I should have played the hands a bit different due to ICM and hopefully holding my 2nd/3rd place in chips. While I have a different opinion on my game for one hand, I am totally unsure about the other one.

Since the site doesn't support text exports, I used ChatGPT and hope you can work with it.

MTT Payout structure:

1	1.057 $
2	827 $
3	595 $
4	440 $
5	326 $
6	242 $
7	179 $
8	133 $

Hand 1:
No Limit Hold'em – 70k/140k Blinds (16.8k ante) – 8 players

Stacks:
ShoveiSemQuere (BU): 3,032,273 (21.7 BB)
RyPa (SB): 2,204,593 (15.7 BB)
diky159 (BB): 2,080,513 (14.9 BB)
PapotePR (UTG+1): 2,669,814 (19.1 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG+2): 5,617,712 (40.1 BB)
Foguetentr (MP): 1,879,450 (13.4 BB)
marcio668922 (HJ): 11,015,645 (78.7 BB)

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 12.34 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (16,800)
RyPa (SB) posts 0.5 BB (70,000)
diky159 (BB) posts 1 BB (140,000)

AndyreasDE (UTG+2) [10♦ J♦] raises to 2 BB (280,000)
marcio668922 (HJ) 3-bets to 5 BB (700,000)
AndyreasDE calls 3 BB (420,000)
All other players fold

---

Flop: (20.5 BB) [J♣ 2♦ 6♦]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 4.07 BB (570,108)
AndyreasDE calls 4.07 BB (570,108)

---

Turn: (28.6 BB) [K♣]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 7.26 BB (1,016,379)
AndyreasDE folds

Total pot: 20.5 BB
marcio668922 wins 20.5 BB



Hand 2:
150k/300k Blinds (36k ante) – 4 players

Stacks:
marcio668922 (BTN): 12,668,144 (42.2 BB)
ShoveiSemQuere (SB): 7,022,124 (23.4 BB)
PapotePR (BB): 2,354,414 (7.8 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG): 6,455,318 (21.5 BB)

---

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 5.98 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (36,000)
ShoveiSemQuere posts 0.5 BB (150,000)
PapotePR posts 1 BB (300,000)


AndyreasDE [K♠ A♦] raises to 2 BB (600,000)
marcio668922 3-bets to 5 BB (1,500,000)
AndyreasDE folds
marcio668922 wins uncontested
(he had previously posted his ante: 36,000)

Total pot: 5.98 BB (1,794,000)

 

[Sunz of Beaches]

Hand 1: i would not open and fold directly because there are multiple reshove stacks+cl bully behind u and u are second in chips. With a fold u can protect ur stack and position. I would probably also fold as the opener despite the good price u get to call the 3-bet but not 100 % sure about it. As played i could definitely not resist to call the turn and see a river.

Hand 2 is a clear 4bet shove against such a bully imo. There is only one shorter stack and ur hand is very strong 4-handed.

 

[primrose]

Hand 1 Preflop: this is okay. You could also consider not opening the hand if you get 3bet excessively.
Hand 1 Flop: I like calling and letting him hang himself. Based on your description, he will likely fire again and you can just call him down a lot of the time.
Hand 1 Turn: Of course this is not the card I had in mind when I said call him down, and now there is a decent chance that you could be behind. But you still can't fold yet. Villain could easily still be behind, and he can't just mindlessly barrel the River if you call the Turn, you could have so many strong hands here. There should be a good chance it goes check-check on the River, and there's still the Flush draw. You have to call this.

If you do call and the River is not a diamond, J, or T and you face a big bet, then you should probably fold. But even if that happens 2/3 of the time, you have enough reason to call here.

Hand 2: Unfortunately I think this is an outright blunder; you should go all-in here.

Overall: I think you're overadjusting to ICM. It matters, but it doesn't matter that much.

Since the site doesn't support text exports, I used ChatGPT and hope you can work with it.

I wouldn't have even noticed. This looks perfectly fine, imo.

 

[fundiver199]

Hand1 JTs

Preflop
This is an extreme ICM situation, where you are second in chips, and everyone else are much shorter apart from the chip leader. To make matter worse the chip leader also has position on you. The main adjustment in this situation is to nit up completely and play maybe only 30-50% of the hands, you would normally play. JTs is not exactly a monster, so just fold and wait for some of the other players to bust or dubble up. As played I guess, its ok to call the 3-bet, but this is exactly, what we dont want to happen, and why we should open fold.

Flop
Something is off with the display of the pot size here, since he 3-bet to 5BB, so with the blinds and antes the pot is only around 12,5BB and not 20,5BB. This mean, his C-bet is not as small as it looks with the erroneous potsize shown. Still an easy call with top pair + draw. No need to raise though, since a raise will never get a better hand to fold, and only a few worse hands will call, plus it helps him build the pot, which you do not want.

Turn
Not a good card obviously, but you still have so much equity, even if he hit the K, he is giving you 4:1, and its not for all your chips. So I think, this fold is a significant mistake. Just call and then make a decision on the river.

Hand2 AKo

Preflop
This is a mandatory 4-bet jam. He is 3-betting you a ton, and if you dont even fight back with a hand as strong as AK, you are allowing him to completely run you over.

 

[Marshmalo1994]

Hand 1:
I'd have folded.
Once i've seen the flop, I'd have done a check-raise and bet on the turn. After a call on the flop, I think I'd call the turn too.

Hand 2:
I'm not sure if it's ok, but I'd have pushed.
He has a wide 3b range, getting advantage off there's a short player. I think he has many hands that can 3bet, but don't call a shove.

 

[eetenor]

Hey forum,

I would like some feedback on two hands from the FT where I got involved and ended up against the big stack bully chip lead. He's a winning player and plays the big stack position pretty well with a decent amount of aggression (and bluffs).

I am mainly wondering if I should have played the hands a bit different due to ICM and hopefully holding my 2nd/3rd place in chips. While I have a different opinion on my game for one hand, I am totally unsure about the other one.

Since the site doesn't support text exports, I used ChatGPT and hope you can work with it.

MTT Payout structure:

1	1.057 $
2	827 $
3	595 $
4	440 $
5	326 $
6	242 $
7	179 $
8	133 $

Hand 1:
No Limit Hold'em – 70k/140k Blinds (16.8k ante) – 8 players

Stacks:
ShoveiSemQuere (BU): 3,032,273 (21.7 BB)
RyPa (SB): 2,204,593 (15.7 BB)
diky159 (BB): 2,080,513 (14.9 BB)
PapotePR (UTG+1): 2,669,814 (19.1 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG+2): 5,617,712 (40.1 BB)
Foguetentr (MP): 1,879,450 (13.4 BB)
marcio668922 (HJ): 11,015,645 (78.7 BB)

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 12.34 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (16,800)
RyPa (SB) posts 0.5 BB (70,000)
diky159 (BB) posts 1 BB (140,000)

AndyreasDE (UTG+2) [10♦ J♦] raises to 2 BB (280,000)
marcio668922 (HJ) 3-bets to 5 BB (700,000)
AndyreasDE calls 3 BB (420,000)
All other players fold

---

Flop: (20.5 BB) [J♣ 2♦ 6♦]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 4.07 BB (570,108)
AndyreasDE calls 4.07 BB (570,108)

---

Turn: (28.6 BB) [K♣]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 7.26 BB (1,016,379)
AndyreasDE folds

Total pot: 20.5 BB
marcio668922 wins 20.5 BB



Hand 2:
150k/300k Blinds (36k ante) – 4 players

Stacks:
marcio668922 (BTN): 12,668,144 (42.2 BB)
ShoveiSemQuere (SB): 7,022,124 (23.4 BB)
PapotePR (BB): 2,354,414 (7.8 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG): 6,455,318 (21.5 BB)

---

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 5.98 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (36,000)
ShoveiSemQuere posts 0.5 BB (150,000)
PapotePR posts 1 BB (300,000)


AndyreasDE [K♠ A♦] raises to 2 BB (600,000)
marcio668922 3-bets to 5 BB (1,500,000)
AndyreasDE folds
marcio668922 wins uncontested
(he had previously posted his ante: 36,000)

Total pot: 5.98 BB (1,794,000)

Hand 1 pair plus flush draw the only way we fold turn is if our V has to have AKdd Kxdd only.

Hand 2 We cannot fold AK to a player who may be being a bully ICM we do not call either we can 4 bet induce or shove --It is not an easy call for them ICM.

 

[Jessica1507]

Hey forum,

I would like some feedback on two hands from the FT where I got involved and ended up against the big stack bully chip lead. He's a winning player and plays the big stack position pretty well with a decent amount of aggression (and bluffs).

I am mainly wondering if I should have played the hands a bit different due to ICM and hopefully holding my 2nd/3rd place in chips. While I have a different opinion on my game for one hand, I am totally unsure about the other one.

Since the site doesn't support text exports, I used ChatGPT and hope you can work with it.

MTT Payout structure:

1	1.057 $
2	827 $
3	595 $
4	440 $
5	326 $
6	242 $
7	179 $
8	133 $

Hand 1:
No Limit Hold'em – 70k/140k Blinds (16.8k ante) – 8 players

Stacks:
ShoveiSemQuere (BU): 3,032,273 (21.7 BB)
RyPa (SB): 2,204,593 (15.7 BB)
diky159 (BB): 2,080,513 (14.9 BB)
PapotePR (UTG+1): 2,669,814 (19.1 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG+2): 5,617,712 (40.1 BB)
Foguetentr (MP): 1,879,450 (13.4 BB)
marcio668922 (HJ): 11,015,645 (78.7 BB)

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 12.34 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (16,800)
RyPa (SB) posts 0.5 BB (70,000)
diky159 (BB) posts 1 BB (140,000)

AndyreasDE (UTG+2) [10♦ J♦] raises to 2 BB (280,000)
marcio668922 (HJ) 3-bets to 5 BB (700,000)
AndyreasDE calls 3 BB (420,000)
All other players fold

---

Flop: (20.5 BB) [J♣ 2♦ 6♦]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 4.07 BB (570,108)
AndyreasDE calls 4.07 BB (570,108)

---

Turn: (28.6 BB) [K♣]
AndyreasDE checks
marcio668922 bets 7.26 BB (1,016,379)
AndyreasDE folds

Total pot: 20.5 BB
marcio668922 wins 20.5 BB



Hand 2:
150k/300k Blinds (36k ante) – 4 players

Stacks:
marcio668922 (BTN): 12,668,144 (42.2 BB)
ShoveiSemQuere (SB): 7,022,124 (23.4 BB)
PapotePR (BB): 2,354,414 (7.8 BB)
AndyreasDE (UTG): 6,455,318 (21.5 BB)

---

Pre-Flop: (Pot: 5.98 BB)
All players post 0.12 BB ante (36,000)
ShoveiSemQuere posts 0.5 BB (150,000)
PapotePR posts 1 BB (300,000)


AndyreasDE [K♠ A♦] raises to 2 BB (600,000)
marcio668922 3-bets to 5 BB (1,500,000)
AndyreasDE folds
marcio668922 wins uncontested
(he had previously posted his ante: 36,000)

Total pot: 5.98 BB (1,794,000)

After the flop in the first hand I would go all in without a doubt and in the second hand I will go all in before the flop I don't think twice

Never give up on that AK even if you lose it, it's part of it

 

[fundiver199]

Hand 1 pair plus flush draw the only way we fold turn is if our V has to have AKdd Kxdd only.

Obviously that is a bad situation for us, but its no more than 2-4 combos, and Villain can have so many other hands, that make a small C-bet on the flop and then on the turn again.
We are behind to strong made hands, that bet the turn for value, but he can also have or or or a ton of similar hands, which we are still ahead off. I plugged the spot into Equilab, and against a range of only strong made hands and strong draws we have 42% equity, and this is the worst case scenario. If he also bet hands like AQ, AJ, AT and QQ, that are weaker draws or weaker made hands, we have 50% equity.

 

[Andyreas]

Thanks all for your feedback! I knew I didn't play the hands optimally, so that's why I posted them here.

Luckily the second stack made ICM suicide when there were 4 left and shortie finally busted, so I came in second at the end.

Who knows if I could have managed to chip up more and also take it down if I played a bit more clever, but I'll take it

Something is off with the display of the pot size here

Yeah, looks like ChatGPT put the pot sizes after the street and displayed it at the start of the street.

Obviously it's not the best tool for it

 

[mariussica88]

Hand 1: JTs

Just folding pre-flop UTG+2 is not a mistake, and I do believe that neither folding to a 3-bet pre-flop is not a mistake. As played, I do think that calling 1/3 pot bet is a must on that flop. Also on turn I don't think I would have folded my hand there, you got a lot of equity to continue with your hand. Call and make another decision on the river.


Hand 2: AKo

Did you just fold? Or did you copy the hand history wrong?

With want hand do you continue playing there? I think this is a very good opportunity to double up there. You should 4-bet/ Jam that hand. There is only on small stack there, so this is a huge opportunity for you to become the chip leader and put pressure on everybody.

PS: You still have to win the hand/flip but still I think that AKo there is a must play hand.

 

[primrose]

PS: You still have to win the hand/flip but still I think that AKo there is a must play hand.

I actually doubt that. Villain seems to 3bet light here and doesn't have the price to call a premium. We should see a fold here most of the time after jamming and win without a fight.