$20 NL HE STT: Did villain make a good call here?

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This is the third time this week this happened to me, all with similar stack sizes. Loosie goosy villain calls my shove with 8-10 bb with JQs. And yes I was knocked out
3 times. I would not make that call in this situation, but maybe I am just too tight. $20 buy-in, single table tourney and 4 player left

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Neon-Fish-19 (UTG): 1,960 (13 bb)
izaill1 (BU): 2,398 (16 bb)
runningqueens (SB): 1,110 (7 bb)
jtubbs22 (BB): 3,532 (24 bb)


Pre-Flop:
(225) Hero (runningqueens) is SB with K A
2 players fold, runningqueens (SB) raises to 1,110 (all-in), jtubbs22 (BB) calls 960

Flop: (2,220) J 9 J (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (2,220) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (2,220) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 2,220

Showdown:
runningqueens (SB) shows K A (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

jtubbs22 (BB) shows Q J (a full house, Jacks full of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

jtubbs22 (BB) wins 2,220
 
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Its a clear call for him, so if you are not making it, you are in fact playing to tight. ICMizer has SB jamming 58% of hands in this spot and BB defending 37% of hands. QJs is netting him 1,47% of the price pool, so folding would be a major blunder by him. The bottom of his suited calling range is T9s, J8s, Q7s and K2s.
 
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In addition to fundivers post, take a look from his position.

If he looses, he's still the CL but with a minor lead.

But if he wins, he has nearly double the stack of second in chips and has a serious chance of winning the 1st place.
 
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You have 7.5 bbs left and to be honest you supposed to shove so much weaker combinations even JQs from your position. So even this call could be a loosing call from your opp, its the right outplay. In addition you need to gambling often, understanding positions & stack sizes, especially when there's such a significant stack diference like here, and having a totally fine hand in an SB-BB situation.
But... as much as I think its way too tight to see this call like this, you may not to play 20$ games in a first place or taking a bit of time to just observe the tables and see what cards they are playing in what levels and in what positions and it may help your game's missing pieces to make it whole.
 
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Yes, I know I play a wee bit tight (and this is the biggest hole in my game), but I make adjustments depending on villain. I just run into too many opponents that call way too wide which forces me to jam tighter, or I run into better hands too many times. But all in all I've done very well playing like this.
 
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I just run into too many opponents that call way too wide which forces me to jam tighter
The question is, if they actually call to wide? Maybe they call wider than you, but if you are calling to tight, they could just be calling, when they are supposed to. Playing SnGs at these buyins, I really think, you should get a tracker like PT4 and also ICMizer and spend some time learning the GTO push-fold ranges better. In order to make good adjustments we need to know, what we are adjusting from ;)
or I run into better hands too many times.
This statement indicate, that you are letting emotions guide your decision. Jamming and getting called by a better hand feels "stupid", and it cause us to bust from the tournament or lose a big chunk of our stack, unless we bink a suck-out. Folding dont create the same negative feelings, but it cause us to slowly bleed away chips, so that when we finally do go all-in, we are often the player at risk, and we cant "afford" a bad beat to happen. Its important to overcome these emotions and not be afraid to take the high variance route, when its more profitable than the low variance alternative of folding.
But all in all I've done very well playing like this.
I know, but its possible, you could do even better, if you spend some more time studying push-fold ranges. Maybe you play in games, that are really soft, and maybe all your edge comes from postflop play, whereas you are actually leaking in push-fold spots. The problem with winning is, it can easily make us lazy and forget to study. Which is certainly something, I am guilty of as well :)
 
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The question is, if they actually call to wide? Maybe they call wider than you, but if you are calling to tight, they could just be calling, when they are supposed to. Playing SnGs at these buyins, I really think, you should get a tracker like PT4 and also ICMizer and spend some time learning the GTO push-fold ranges better. In order to make good adjustments we need to know, what we are adjusting from ;)
Unfortunately I cannot use any trackers or HUD's. I can only play on my mobile phone. Pokerstars geolocation software will not let me play on a desktop. This also sucks because I cannot take notes. I have tried a system with index cards for taking notes, but this quickly became very impractical.
This statement indicate, that you are letting emotions guide your decision. Jamming and getting called by a better hand feels "stupid", and it cause us to bust from the tournament or lose a big chunk of our stack, unless we bink a suck-out. Folding dont create the same negative feelings, but it cause us to slowly bleed away chips, so that when we finally do go all-in, we are often the player at risk, and we cant "afford" a bad beat to happen. Its important to overcome these emotions and not be afraid to take the high variance route, when its more profitable than the low variance alternative of folding.

I know, but its possible, you could do even better, if you spend some more time studying push-fold ranges. Maybe you play in games, that are really soft, and maybe all your edge comes from postflop play, whereas you are actually leaking in push-fold spots. The problem with winning is, it can easily make us lazy and forget to study. Which is certainly something, I am guilty of as well :)
Yes, this is my biggest weakness. I have not spent a lot of time with memorizing push fold charts and have kind of developed my own ranges which work very well, but are admittingly tight.
 
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Pokerstars geolocation software will not let me play on a desktop.
That sounds very weird. Maybe start a separate thread about this problem in "poker rooms" and ask for advice from other american forum members playing on the same site?
 
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