$16,5 NL HE MTT:

[Geo90]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

16,5

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

When a tournament is going well, I believe that I am capable of winning the entire game. I don't think it through, and that's what happened here. I had 10K in starting chips and was doing very well. The bounty was activated after 1-2 levels, and then this game came along.

PF: Sb raised 3 bb, I was surprised by the GTO, I thought he would 3-bet, but he called 100%, even though I think a 3-bet wouldn't have been a mistake up to 9-10K.

F: There's a small Cbet that has to be called, I have no reason to raise, I think the call was good.

T: I get a pair, I get a bigger raise, as the SB raiser, there could be a lot of 10s and Js in his range, or KQ straight draw, but I couldn't fold here.

R: All-in, He showed strength on the 4 street. bluff ruled out, he either has a 10 or a J and we split, I can't imagine anything else. Should we risk a pot-sized chip for a split? Or can we fold here, but that would be too tight?

If I fold, I'll have 40BB left and I'll wait with a good chip for the bounties to activate, but that would be tight play, which I don't think would be a mistake.

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=6aVsqdE

UTG: 113,522 (95 bb)
UTG+1: 29,075 (24 bb)
MP: 70,186 (58 bb)
MP+1: 20,962 (17 bb)
CO: 57,821 (48 bb)
BU: 82,564 (69 bb)
SB: 47,210 (39 bb)
BB (Hero): 62,774 (52 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,000) Hero is BB with Q♣ J♣
6 players fold, SB raises to 3,600, Hero calls 2,400

Flop: (8,400) 4♥ T♥ T♦ (2 players)
SB bets 2,772, Hero calls 2,772

Turn: (13,944) J♠ (2 players)
SB bets 9,203, Hero calls 9,203

River: (32,350) T♠ (2 players)
SB bets 31,485 (all-in), Hero calls 31,485

 

[puzzlefish]

You lose to Tx, JJ (both unlikely but possible), QQ, KK, AA. You win against all flushes, 4x, and pocket pairs 99 and under. I think you have to call. The hand kind of played itself and if you lose, then it is a cooler that's all.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
You could 3-bet, but it would suck to face a 4-bet with this hand, so I am ok just calling and taking a cheap flop in position.

Flop
It would be nice to have a bit more going on like even a BDFD, but for this price I think, you need to continue. Its also a bit of a float play, where you should plan to attack a lot of turns, if he slow down and check.

Turn
You improve to top pair, but now he size up, and this basically makes your hand still no more than a bluff catcher.

River
Good card since its now less likely, he has a T. You could obviously be beat, but nothing got there, so he could be bluffing, and some of the time you are chopping with another J. So I think, you have to close your eyes and call it off here.

 

[Rldetheflop]

Stack sizes what they are I think SB could not be raising super wide I think I might be folding here it seems like best case scenario is a chop and we are losing to a decent amount of his range here although we do have a chunk of our stack in already.

 

[bremp555]

Interesting spot. I think your thought process on the flop makes sense – facing the small c-bet with QJ on T-T-4 is pretty standard, since your hand still has decent equity and you don’t want to overfold in this spot. The turn improves you with the J, but it also connects a lot with villain’s value range, since as the preflop raiser he can easily have Tx or even overpairs that might slowplay sometimes.

On the river, the shove polarizes him a lot. Like you said, it’s hard to imagine many bluffs here unless he’s turning something like 98s or missed broadway draws into a bluff. Most of the time he’s repping trips or a strong made hand, so it comes down to whether you believe he can overvalue worse hands or bluff enough. Against most players, I think calling is fine given the bounty format, because folding too often in these spots can cost a lot of equity long term.

Personally, I would also consider how aggressive he has been in previous hands. If he’s capable of bluffing river spots, then your call is totally justified. If he’s more on the passive side, then folding isn’t too tight at all – it’s just disciplined.

 

[Geo90]

You lose to Tx, JJ (both unlikely but possible), QQ, KK, AA. You win against all flushes, 4x, and pocket pairs 99 and under. I think you have to call. The hand kind of played itself and if you lose, then it is a cooler that's all.

You lose to Tx, JJ (both unlikely but possible), QQ, KK, AA. You win against all flushes, 4x, and pocket pairs 99 and under. I think you have to call. The hand kind of played itself and if you lose, then it is a cooler that's all.

Proportionally, I win more hands than I lose,
but a thought occurs to me: this happens at level 16, and from level 17 onwards, the bounties are activated, so I should play even more tightly to have more opportunities to collect bounties.

 

[Geo90]

Preflop
You could 3-bet, but it would suck to face a 4-bet with this hand, so I am ok just calling and taking a cheap flop in position.

Flop
It would be nice to have a bit more going on like even a BDFD, but for this price I think, you need to continue. Its also a bit of a float play, where you should plan to attack a lot of turns, if he slow down and check.

Turn
You improve to top pair, but now he size up, and this basically makes your hand still no more than a bluff catcher.

River
Good card since its now less likely, he has a T. You could obviously be beat, but nothing got there, so he could be bluffing, and some of the time you are chopping with another J. So I think, you have to close your eyes and call it off here.

PF: Maybe that's why GTo doesn't recommend 3betting.

I also hoped for a split. As I mentioned in my previous comment, I tend to play tighter in the last blind level before the bounty is activated so that I can hit him with as many chips as possible, which is why I considered folding. In a regular MTT, I would call, and I would call even if the bounty is active.

 

[Geo90]

Stack sizes what they are I think SB could not be raising super wide I think I might be folding here it seems like best case scenario is a chop and we are losing to a decent amount of his range here although we do have a chunk of our stack in already.

That's a difficult question. He showed strength across four streets, so even in the best case scenario, I think it could only be a split, or he has a bigger pair or a ten, and he raised the pot nicely.

 

[Geo90]

Interesting spot. I think your thought process on the flop makes sense – facing the small c-bet with QJ on T-T-4 is pretty standard, since your hand still has decent equity and you don’t want to overfold in this spot. The turn improves you with the J, but it also connects a lot with villain’s value range, since as the preflop raiser he can easily have Tx or even overpairs that might slowplay sometimes.

On the river, the shove polarizes him a lot. Like you said, it’s hard to imagine many bluffs here unless he’s turning something like 98s or missed broadway draws into a bluff. Most of the time he’s repping trips or a strong made hand, so it comes down to whether you believe he can overvalue worse hands or bluff enough. Against most players, I think calling is fine given the bounty format, because folding too often in these spots can cost a lot of equity long term.

Personally, I would also consider how aggressive he has been in previous hands. If he’s capable of bluffing river spots, then your call is totally justified. If he’s more on the passive side, then folding isn’t too tight at all – it’s just disciplined.

Or even KQ, Q9 Sb as a raiser has a very wide range.

The bounty wasn't active yet, it was the last blind level.

I don't use HUD, which would have helped a lot in a situation like this to see how much he bluffs on the river, but I'll look into that.

Thank you very much for all your answers!

 

[puzzlefish]

Proportionally, I win more hands than I lose,
but a thought occurs to me: this happens at level 16, and from level 17 onwards, the bounties are activated, so I should play even more tightly to have more opportunities to collect bounties.

If you win you will have a bigger stack to play for bounties. If you play tight and fold here, at the river anyway, then you miss that. However I would be on board with folding pre-flop with your logic.

 

[fundiver199]

I dont see, how the fact, the bounties get activated next blind level, is particularly important here, since we cover the villain. So its not like, our tournament live is at risk, although if we call and lose, we will be left with a pretty short stack and need to win a "flip", before we can content for bounties. I also dont think, we are calling only for a chop here.

All the draws missed, and the opponent has faced no aggression at any point, so he could be bluffing and decide to empty the clip on the river. In a $16.5 MTT there will be more good players, who are capable of taking this kind of line with a bluff compared to a microstakes game. And its very exploitable to fold a J here, when we pretty much never have QQ+. Then we are basically only calling with quads, and for obvious reasons we dont have that very often.

 

[eetenor]

When a tournament is going well, I believe that I am capable of winning the entire game. I don't think it through, and that's what happened here. I had 10K in starting chips and was doing very well. The bounty was activated after 1-2 levels, and then this game came along.

PF: Sb raised 3 bb, I was surprised by the GTO, I thought he would 3-bet, but he called 100%, even though I think a 3-bet wouldn't have been a mistake up to 9-10K.

F: There's a small Cbet that has to be called, I have no reason to raise, I think the call was good.

T: I get a pair, I get a bigger raise, as the SB raiser, there could be a lot of 10s and Js in his range, or KQ straight draw, but I couldn't fold here.

R: All-in, He showed strength on the 4 street. Bluff ruled out, he either has a 10 or a J and we split, I can't imagine anything else. Should we risk a pot-sized chip for a split? Or can we fold here, but that would be too tight?

If I fold, I'll have 40BB left and I'll wait with a good chip for the bounties to activate, but that would be tight play, which I don't think would be a mistake.

888Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 600/1,200 (150 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer?hand=6aVsqdE

UTG: 113,522 (95 bb)
UTG+1: 29,075 (24 bb)
MP: 70,186 (58 bb)
MP+1: 20,962 (17 bb)
CO: 57,821 (48 bb)
BU: 82,564 (69 bb)
SB: 47,210 (39 bb)
BB (Hero): 62,774 (52 bb)

Pre-Flop: (3,000) Hero is BB with Q♣ J♣
6 players fold, SB raises to 3,600, Hero calls 2,400

Flop: (8,400) 4♥ T♥ T♦ (2 players)
SB bets 2,772, Hero calls 2,772

Turn: (13,944) J♠ (2 players)
SB bets 9,203, Hero calls 9,203

River: (32,350) T♠ (2 players)
SB bets 31,485 (all-in), Hero calls 31,485

the best way to study and grow is to dive deeply into spots so this is not a could he be bluffing or not study question. Of course it could be either at any time it is the frequency of bluffs that we want to try to pin down.

First we think about how bounty MTT should be played---- In theory SB range for raising needs to be tight because you can win their bounty. If this V knows this that means they have a linear SB raise range not polar.
-Look at GTO WIZARD free version preflop ranges to see what a polar range looks like

If this V expects you to call to win the bounty then they have very few bluffs on this river because why would you ever fold a full house?
What hand are they targeting with a bluff on the river? Also what hand do they bluff 3 streets? Does AKhh want to bluff turn for a large sizing when you will over call made hands to win the bounty?

A bluff should be targeting your Axhh hands so what non made hand is bluffing this river?

If you can make a range of bluffs that balance out the V's value bets then you can call. Take the time to build that range of bluffs that 3 barrels here.