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fundiver199
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Poker Orifice
And Still...
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Zorba
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Probably because he liked something that was written in the post.i wonder why a poker experte and ambassador likes a post where someone wrote that "funds are not safe anywhere"
what u wrote in the post i quoted makes sense but if you scroll up there is a member from here who said his bankroll was confiscated for stalling too
If members lost funds for cheating by deliberately disconnecting, then it's bad luck for them, no sympathy here if that actually is the case. No ones bankroll is confiscated if they only use the time allotted to them.
:rofl: the like police.
I'd trust my funds on ACR more than in a US bank. ACR has no reason to scam players, they make a little bit more profit than $700 from the players, why would they fck that up by stealing from players.
Why anyone would trust US banks after their part in the GFC is beyond me.
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Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
Probably because he liked something that was written in the post.
No ones bankroll is confiscated if they only use the time allotted to them.
:rofl: the like police.
I'd trust my funds on ACR more than in a US bank. ACR has no reason to scam players, they make a little bit more profit than $700 from the players, why would they fck that up by stealing from players.
Why anyone would trust US banks after their part in the GFC is beyond me.
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Ah he liked the post because he liked something that is written in it? Youdontsay.jpeg.
And at the same time you completly disagree with him by saying that u trust acr more than a US bank
Which is frankly some of the funniest things i have ever read here. Trusting a offshore, unregulated gambling site more than a US bank
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illumirunus
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I’ve already stated I didn’t deliberately disconnect my internet.. even if I did, that warrants a life time ban and confiscation of funds? I guess you think so since you also believe acr is safer than a bank lolProbably because he liked something that was written in the post.
No ones bankroll is confiscated if they only use the time allotted to them.
:rofl: the like police.
I'd trust my funds on ACR more than in a US bank. ACR has no reason to scam players, they make a little bit more profit than $700 from the players, why would they fck that up by stealing from players.
Why anyone would trust US banks after their part in the GFC is beyond me.
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Sunz of Beaches
Whot a Donk
Platinum Level
could you post emails with acr? thanks.
DanRoussel
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Greetings everyone!
In my opinion, using the time bank is a matter of necessity and/or strategy. I don't think it should ever be considered unethical or illegal, after all the time bank is available for use, regardless of the moment of play, whether playing one or 10 screens. Many use HUD and it is an "advantage" over those who don't have it and is allowed on many platforms.
Obviously, I also do not agree with money sequestration and account cancellation, except in proven cases of fraud against the platform or other players. In other cases, the right of defense of the players must be given, and not canceling it summarily and stealing their funds.
Professional cash players or even someone who wins very often will always be targets of investigation and questioning. No one is that good or lucky for a long time.
I think this way.
In my opinion, using the time bank is a matter of necessity and/or strategy. I don't think it should ever be considered unethical or illegal, after all the time bank is available for use, regardless of the moment of play, whether playing one or 10 screens. Many use HUD and it is an "advantage" over those who don't have it and is allowed on many platforms.
Obviously, I also do not agree with money sequestration and account cancellation, except in proven cases of fraud against the platform or other players. In other cases, the right of defense of the players must be given, and not canceling it summarily and stealing their funds.
Professional cash players or even someone who wins very often will always be targets of investigation and questioning. No one is that good or lucky for a long time.
I think this way.
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illumirunus
Rising Star
Bronze Level
I uploaded a screenshot of the email earlier but It came out blurry, not sure how to upload the actual email. Basically it’s a copy paste of their stalling section in the TOS
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Joselmb31
Rock Star
Bronze Level
For me it would be crazy, because in online tournaments there are many factors that are involved and in no case can they justify such a thing, you can simply have low internet signal and it would not be the fault of the player. In the case of live tournaments, it would not be correct either due to the fact that one cannot manage the player's thinking, for that is the time in each play.
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fundiver199
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Loyaler
For me its completely fine to kick people out, if they repeatedly disconnect their internet on purpose in order to get more time for important decisions or increase their chance of making it past the bubble. Disconnection protection is there to give people a reasonable chance to come back to the game, before their hand is folded, and disconnecting on purpose is definitely abuse of that function.
In order for a poker site to assume, that someone disconnect on purpose, it would need to happen repeatedly and in a way, which seem to give the player an advantage, like for instance mainly near the bubble or a big payjump in MTTs. If someone is found to be doing this, for me its completely fine for the poker site to kick them out, maybe after an initial warning.
I dont think however something like this should entitle the poker site to keep whatever amount of money, the player has sitting in their account. At the most they could perhaps confiscate winnings, since disconnecting on purpose is actually a form of cheating, and it does give the player an unfair advantage although its up for debate, how big or small that advantage might be. In all but the most clear and extreme cases I would prefer for the poker site to just tell the player, they are not welcome any more, and pay out the balance in the poker account.
ATL2000
Rock Star
Bronze Level
This is exactly what I was about to post.
Seriously, this happens near the bubble in EVERY low stakes tournament.
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illumirunus
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Ok I’ll admit I messed up by not reading their TOS as it does state that they consider stalling unethical and punishable. But to close out my account, while I was in middle of a hand on a cash game no less, is quite disturbing. No warning issued, just permanent ban and they keep my money.
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illumirunus
Rising Star
Bronze Level
It’s a joke how many people do it.. basically everyone who buys in last minute in the tournaments with 180 person payout is planning to stall until bubble
antonis32123
Legend
Loyaler
About deliberate disconnection , being made on purpose so as to manipulate RNG or to get extra time or to irritate otherplayers , is sth I have witnessed not only on ACR , but many times on Stars . Especially for the '' RNG manipulation'' thing , so as to get thier cards on flop , I have witnessed it , it's very annoying to know some players do it on purpose and they get rewarded :sad:
I Live Poker
Legend
Bronze Level
I've been playing at ACR for over 1 year, I could say almost 2 years, and I've never had any problem with this type of situation. But I agree that the delay in time is not a cheat although it does irritate it a bit. This happens recurrently in tournament bubbles with short players, if using the time bank would be illegal and simpler to extinguish the time bank. But there are cases of players who are disconnecting that could be considered cheating.
But overall I think ACR is very correct in its policies. Not to mention that I bother support when I see things wrong or could be improved. ACR has been listening a lot to its players and has improved a lot over the time I've played there... and it's not that long.
Claims:
*Last hand didn't appear and hand history issues: resolved with instant replay of last hand with share link.
* technical problems and canceled tournaments, only return buyin: problem solved paying by ICM
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There are several other issues that have been resolved, not to mention their policy of very efficient withdrawals... various forms of fast deposits... solving problems without creating obstacles, always valuing the customer. The only thing that still detracts a little is the BOTs a few days ago I did an FT with only BOTs. the 8 players with identical stats and didn't make mistakes was impossible to play it was clear that all other Players or BOTS were playing GTO.
But overall I think ACR is very correct in its policies. Not to mention that I bother support when I see things wrong or could be improved. ACR has been listening a lot to its players and has improved a lot over the time I've played there... and it's not that long.
Claims:
*Last hand didn't appear and hand history issues: resolved with instant replay of last hand with share link.
* technical problems and canceled tournaments, only return buyin: problem solved paying by ICM
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There are several other issues that have been resolved, not to mention their policy of very efficient withdrawals... various forms of fast deposits... solving problems without creating obstacles, always valuing the customer. The only thing that still detracts a little is the BOTs a few days ago I did an FT with only BOTs. the 8 players with identical stats and didn't make mistakes was impossible to play it was clear that all other Players or BOTS were playing GTO.
theANMATOR
Legend
Bronze Level
I missed this thread but wanted to comment on it.
That joker from reddit was intentionally disconnecting his internet connection every hand - to get an additional 60 second of stall time. That is exactly what ACR is talking about in their TOS. They are not talking about running your time bank down to zero. Common sense ya'll.
The key words in the TOS are "to gain an unfair advantage".
It is not an unfair advantage to run your time bank down - everyone does it - everyone can do it - and it is available for everyone to play with how they so choose.
The unfair advantage is done by the joker sitting there unplugging their internet line every turn, clicking the stop watch, letting it run down 50 seconds and then plugging in there internet line again.
That is an unfair advantage - it is cheating - and his funds deserve to be confiscated. I can't wait to get my cut. lol
To the person above - who said they were banned from ACR for stalling - and then admitted his internet would often disconnect due to poor internet connections, hmmm how often - every time your nearing the money bubble with 10bb remaining? Using simple logic here - it seems your 'often' was exactly the same 'often' ACR deems as - unfair. I'm going to guess that your often was as often as you were short stacked and nearing ITM.
Related to Jon Little - all his funds were returned to him - he even said it in one of his videos. All sites have the right to ban someone for talking crap - continuously - nearly in every video he did related to micro stakes and poker rooms. ALL businesses should have the right to refuse business to anyone they want to. Americas Card Room refused JL business - they gave him back his money - and he can go play where ever else he wants to.
That joker from reddit was intentionally disconnecting his internet connection every hand - to get an additional 60 second of stall time. That is exactly what ACR is talking about in their TOS. They are not talking about running your time bank down to zero. Common sense ya'll.
The key words in the TOS are "to gain an unfair advantage".
It is not an unfair advantage to run your time bank down - everyone does it - everyone can do it - and it is available for everyone to play with how they so choose.
The unfair advantage is done by the joker sitting there unplugging their internet line every turn, clicking the stop watch, letting it run down 50 seconds and then plugging in there internet line again.
That is an unfair advantage - it is cheating - and his funds deserve to be confiscated. I can't wait to get my cut. lol
To the person above - who said they were banned from ACR for stalling - and then admitted his internet would often disconnect due to poor internet connections, hmmm how often - every time your nearing the money bubble with 10bb remaining? Using simple logic here - it seems your 'often' was exactly the same 'often' ACR deems as - unfair. I'm going to guess that your often was as often as you were short stacked and nearing ITM.
Related to Jon Little - all his funds were returned to him - he even said it in one of his videos. All sites have the right to ban someone for talking crap - continuously - nearly in every video he did related to micro stakes and poker rooms. ALL businesses should have the right to refuse business to anyone they want to. Americas Card Room refused JL business - they gave him back his money - and he can go play where ever else he wants to.
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fundiver199
Legend
Loyaler
Since you reopened the thread, I have to comment on this. Its quite possible, that the Reddit guy deliberately disconnected, and that this is why, he was banned. I obviously dont know, since he deleted his post without giving further information or telling, how it was resolved. But the TOS of ACR does talk about "stalling" not "disconnecting", and running the timebank down every hand near the bubble or a payjump is certainly "stalling".
Other poker sites talk about "deliberately disconnecting" in their TOS, and if this is, what ACR actually mean, then they definitely need to change their TOS. It is absolutely not "common sense" that they write one thing in their TOS but mean something completely different. That would be like lawmakers saying "you are not allowed to drink fluid while driving your car", but actually they mean alcohol.
Also as a side comment it would be pretty easy to prevent this kind of abuse by limiting the amount of extra time, a player can get when disconnected, to for instance 90 or 120 seconds within a 24 hour period with no more than 30 seconds per occurence. If players can get a full 60 seconds, every time they disconnect, thats kind of inviting people to abuse the function. And even when someone just have a really bad connection, its annoying for other players to always have to wait for them to reconnect. Especially when people are not yet involved in the action, then just fold their hand and let them play the next one, when they have reconnected. At least thats my opinion.
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fundiver199
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Loyaler
Since you reopened the thread, I have to comment on this. Its quite possible, that the Reddit guy deliberately disconnected, and that this is why, he was banned. I obviously dont know, since he deleted his post without giving further information or telling, how it was resolved. But the TOS of ACR does talk about "stalling" not "disconnecting", and running the timebank down every hand near the bubble or a payjump is certainly "stalling".
Other poker sites talk about "deliberately disconnecting" in their TOS, and if this is, what ACR actually mean, then they definitely need to change their TOS. It is absolutely not "common sense" that they write one thing in their TOS but mean something completely different. That would be like lawmakers saying "you are not allowed to drink fluid while driving your car", but actually they mean alcohol.
Also as a side comment it would be pretty easy to prevent this kind of abuse by limiting the amount of extra time, a player can get when disconnected, to for instance 90 or 120 seconds within a 24 hour period with no more than 30 seconds per occurence. If players can get a full 60 seconds, every time they disconnect, thats kind of inviting people to abuse the function.
Even when someone just have a really bad connection, its annoying for other players to always have to wait for them to reconnect. So especially when people are not yet involved in the action, then just fold their hand and let them play the next one, when they have reconnected. At least thats my opinion
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Diamondback2009
Rising Star
Bronze Level
Sorry to resurrect an old thread, but I was the guy who originally made the Reddit post. I don't even remember making the post, or deleting it. I was so upset I was beside myself. I made a similar post on 2p2, I commented on Jonathan Little videos, I was all over the place.
I had been taking advantage of their stupid payout structure by max late regging and then stalling to the money. I did this for about 4 months and made an insane ROI doing it: Graph
There were probably about 2 dozen players like me that I saw across various daily tournaments, but I had nothing to do with them. We were all just trying to eke out cashes in $5 to $20 tournaments. My mistake was pressing my luck by starting to mix in some $55s and I caught the attention of some sponsored regs. They probably complained to Marcos (WPN Support) and got my account nuked.
Instead of getting a warning, or at worst a ban with refund, they took the nuclear route and banned me with confiscation. This is unheard of outside of collusion rings, bots, etc.
It's a full 4.5 years later, and I have done pretty well playing normally that whole time in pokerstars Home Games among local groups. So, I don't need to stall to make money but damn it was easy while it lasted. And that graph is so nice it's pretty sus.
I had been taking advantage of their stupid payout structure by max late regging and then stalling to the money. I did this for about 4 months and made an insane ROI doing it: Graph
There were probably about 2 dozen players like me that I saw across various daily tournaments, but I had nothing to do with them. We were all just trying to eke out cashes in $5 to $20 tournaments. My mistake was pressing my luck by starting to mix in some $55s and I caught the attention of some sponsored regs. They probably complained to Marcos (WPN Support) and got my account nuked.
Instead of getting a warning, or at worst a ban with refund, they took the nuclear route and banned me with confiscation. This is unheard of outside of collusion rings, bots, etc.
It's a full 4.5 years later, and I have done pretty well playing normally that whole time in pokerstars Home Games among local groups. So, I don't need to stall to make money but damn it was easy while it lasted. And that graph is so nice it's pretty sus.