I believe GGPoker is the most unethical poker site ever created

[primrose]

Sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion and that is okay but for me these "tricks" are the same like simple tv commercials are trying to "trick" you to buy their products by saying how great they are

Great, let's take ads as a comparison. If you're not aware of this, governments have decided to regulate ads for content on standards like truthfulness and deception. By that standard used for advertisements, a lot of what GGPoker does would probably be illegal, so this seems to back my position, not yours.

E,g, I asked Claude about the analogue of GGPoker's wheel for spin&go's:

 

[G0930]

Great, let's take ads as a comparison. If you're not aware of this, governments have decided to regulate ads for content on standards like truthfulness and deception. By that standard used for advertisements, a lot of what GGPoker does would probably be illegal, so this seems to back my position, not yours.

E,g, I asked Claude about the analogue of GGPoker's wheel for spin&go's:

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but it's not deceptive since you can look up the probabilites on their website.
Nothing missleading there since you literally can look it all up

 

[primrose]

but it's not deceptive since you can look up the probabilites on their website.
Nothing missleading there since you literally can look it all up

 

[Mario7]

As a fun fact, when I saw this thread 1st time, I would never suppose I'll agree so much with the author.
Because in my opinion GG is for sure one of the best poker rooms, seriosuly. Agreeing with the author somehow does not change it - I just use GG service and I find it good quality.

 

[G0930]

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How about you argue with your own words and not some stupid AI.

Who spins the Spin&Gold wheel with the expectation to win big??

 

[G0930]

As a fun fact, when I saw this thread 1st time, I would never suppose I'll agree so much with the author.
Because in my opinion GG is for sure one of the best poker rooms, seriosuly.

The author is AI Mario ....

 

[Mario7]

The author is AI Mario ....

Don't be so harsh. He just supoorts himself with AI like many ppl do these days. I don't, but I am a dinosaur...

 

[G0930]

Oh look!! I only won 50 cent with my freebie even though the pin on the wheel almost stopped at 10K but jumped to 50 cents in the last second .
Total scam !! I should sue GGPoker 😋😆

 

[G0930]

Don't be so harsh. He just supoorts himself with AI like many ppl do these days. I don't, but I am a dinosaur...

Sorry but this is just lazy 🤷🏼‍♂️

 

[Goggelheimer]

Oh look!! I only won 50 cent with my freebie even though the pin on the wheel almost stopped at 10K but jumped to 50 cents in the last second .
Total scam !! I should sue GGPoker 😋😆
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Doesn´t this wheel makes this damn move all the time?

 

[G0930]

Doesn´t this wheel makes this damn move all the time?

Yup very often 😅 sometimes it's a clean spin to 50 cents.

My biggest win in the 50 cents was the 12.5 $ last year

 

[Goggelheimer]

Yup very often 😅 sometimes it's a clean spin to 50 cents.

My biggest win in the 50 cents was the 12.5 $ last year

Lucky you. Most black fields I hit is $2.50 here and there.

To give us more unethical control, they should implement a stop button like on the slot machines to stop the wheel.

 

[G0930]

Lucky you. Most black fields I hit is $2.50 here and there.

Yes sometimes me too.
Mostly 75c and 50c
And there I thought I could win so big.
Such an unethical pokerroom 😆

 

[primrose]

Don't be so harsh. He just supoorts himself with AI like many ppl do these days. I don't, but I am a dinosaur...

I'm a girl! (Otherwise, thanks.)

How about you argue with your own words and not some stupid AI.

Using an LLM is no different from using google. They're highly reliable at answering basic legal questions or giving you the basic expert consensus on a topic. That's what they should be used for. I'm the most anti-LLM person on this forum, but this was a proper use case (and I marked it as LLM-generated by leaving it in image form). I have at no point used LLMs as a substitute for my own writing, I used them to provide you with basic legal facts. "But you can look it up on their webite though!" is a stock-standard reply that the LLM has read thousands of times in the training data; it doesn't even have to give its own reply, it just recites the reply it has already heard.

Do you actually doubt that this type of thing would be illegal in advertisements? Because if so, I can dig up a legal document for you. But it seems like you're just using it as an excuse because you don't have a counter-argument. "OH MY GOD, SHE USED AN LLM TO DEBUNK ME". Yea, it's not my fault if your argument can be debunked with an elementary fact-check. If you don't want your argument to be debunked with one google search or LLM query, then I suggest you make better arguments.

 

[primrose]

As a fun fact, when I saw this thread 1st time, I would never suppose I'll agree so much with the author.
Because in my opinion GG is for sure one of the best poker rooms, seriosuly. Agreeing with the author somehow does not change it - I just use GG service and I find it good quality.

Those two things aren't a contradiction at all; if the site is good at encouraging people in their gambling addiction and getting to to lose more money than they're comfortable with, then this is great for winning poker players. The more unhealthy the presentation, the weaker the field, the more money for the sharks.

 

[Mario7]

I'm a girl! (Otherwise, thanks.)

Oh, I am very sorry. My fault.

 

[Goggelheimer]

I'm a girl! (Otherwise, thanks.)


Using an LLM is no different from using google. They're highly reliable at answering basic legal questions or giving you the basic expert consensus on a topic.

Wow seems you are an expert at LLM`s.
Ever heard of LLM (KI) Hallucination?
There are some additional flaws in these LLM chatbots.
If they have/find no facts, or you take the false model, they are very creative in creating facts that are not true.

 

[primrose]

Wow seems you are an expert at LLM`s.
Ever heard of LLM (KI) Hallucination?
There are some additional flaws in these LLM chatbots.
If they have/find no facts, or you take the false model, they are very creative in creating facts that are not true.

Hallucinations happen if you ask specific and niche questions, not if you ask a standard legal question that appears thousands of times in the training data.

But fine, here's an official legal document for you, the Enforcement Policy Statement on Deceptively Formatted Advertisements by the Federal Trade Commission (quote from p1, emphasis added).

Section 5 of the FTC Act prohibits “unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce.” As the Commission set forth in its 1983 Policy Statement on Deception, a representation, omission, or practice is deceptive if it is likely to mislead consumers acting reasonably under the circumstances and is material to consumers – that is, it would likely affect the consumer’s conduct or decisions with regard to a product or service.2 In determining whether an advertisement, including its format, misleads consumers, the Commission considers the overall “net impression” it conveys.3 Any qualifying information necessary to prevent deception must be disclosed prominently and unambiguously to overcome any misleading impression created.

 

[Goggelheimer]

Hallucinations happen if you ask specific and niche questions, not if you ask a standard legal question that appears thousands of times in the training data.

But fine, here's an official legal document for you, the Enforcement Policy Statement on Deceptively Formatted Advertisements by the Federal Trade Commission (quote from p1, emphasis added).

ChatGPT lügt

In Deutsch.

Da gibt es nicht legale fragen?
"Alla wie doof ist Trump?"

 

[primrose]

ChatGPT lügt

(1) I didn't use ChatGPT (2) I assume this doesn't contradict what I just said about hallucinations (3) I just gave you an official legal source (what more do you want?) (4) I'm not watching German videos.

 

[Goggelheimer]

(1) I didn't use ChatGPT (2) I assume this doesn't contradict what I just said about hallucinations (3) I just gave you an official legal source (what more do you want?) (4) I'm not watching German videos.

What does the FTC have in Washington, DC (USA)

a) What to do with GG Poker?
b) to do with EU or German legislation?

What does advertising have to do with GG poker in germany in general?
The State Treaty on Gambling with the scope of validity of Germany already imposes quite narrow limits on advertising for gaming providers.
You could make the limits even tighter, but the question then is who will apply for a license and pay taxes in Germany for offering online poker.

 

[primrose]

What does the FTC have in Washington, DC (USA)

a) What to do with GG Poker?
b) to do with EU or German legislation?

What does advertising have to do with GG poker in Germany in general?
The State Treaty on Gambling with the scope of validity of Germany already imposes quite narrow limits on advertising for gaming providers.
You could make the limits even tighter, but the question then is who will apply for a license and pay taxes in Germany for offering online poker.

(Why are you talking about Germany? The legal document I linked is for the US. I haven't at any point said anything about anything related to Germany; idk why you're bringing it up.)

G0930 argued that my list of deceptive behavior from the OP is not unethical because it is analogous to advertisements; I responded that by that standard it's still unethical since advertising regulations (in the US) would declare something like GGPoker's wheel in spin&go to be so misleading that it's illegal. Then G0930 (and you) complained about sourcing this through Claude, so I gave you a legal document instead. I'd strongly suspect it's illegal in the EU as well (probably most developed countries) but US seems like the most natural thing to look at since that's where I assume most players are.

(Edit: I guess most people in this forum are not in the US actually (bc online poker is so restricted in the US?) I've literally never paid attention to the flags. (BTW thanks for making me realize that I could remove the flag in the settings.) But whatever, the legal standard will be the same in Europe, I can find you another legal document if you really want to.)

I don't necessarily think ads are a relevant comparison (lots of ads are unethical too imho), but G0390 is the one that used the ads comparison as an excuse.

 

[Goggelheimer]

No comment on differences in US and European law differences.
There is so big difference in these and all other law systems, they are basically not comparable.
The FTC is for US and not for Germany, austria or any other part of the world.
Despite the US considers to be world police.

Does GG-Poker operate in any state of the US jurisdiction?
The only thing GG-Poker is involved in the US is the wsop, as I know.

 

[G0930]

I'm a girl! (Otherwise, thanks.)


Using an LLM is no different from using google. They're highly reliable at answering basic legal questions or giving you the basic expert consensus on a topic. That's what they should be used for. I'm the most anti-LLM person on this forum, but this was a proper use case (and I marked it as LLM-generated by leaving it in image form). I have at no point used LLMs as a substitute for my own writing, I used them to provide you with basic legal facts. "But you can look it up on their webite though!" is a stock-standard reply that the LLM has read thousands of times in the training data; it doesn't even have to give its own reply, it just recites the reply it has already heard.

Do you actually doubt that this type of thing would be illegal in advertisements? Because if so, I can dig up a legal document for you. But it seems like you're just using it as an excuse because you don't have a counter-argument. "OH MY GOD, SHE USED AN LLM TO DEBUNK ME". Yea, it's not my fault if your argument can be debunked with an elementary fact-check. If you don't want your argument to be debunked with one google search or LLM query, then I suggest you make better arguments.

My argument wasn't debunked cause what your AI spew out doesn't apply to GG and to the jurisdictions in the respective countries where it is available as already mentioned by Goggelheimer

Yes If it were the case, it would be illegal but IT ISN'T!

If it bothers you so much go into politics and try to take down GG in Germany ...

 

[Goggelheimer]

My argument wasn't debunked cause what your AI spew out doesn't apply to GG and to the jurisdictions in the respective countries where it is available as already mentioned by Goggelheimer

Yes If it were the case, it would be illegal but IT ISN'T!

If it bothers you so much go into politics and try to take down GG in Germany ...

She removed the German flag and I think this was not the real flag because maybe she was using a VPN when resgistering at CC.
I will not say that there is some kind of hall... that LLM`s sometimes do.