I believe GGPoker is the most unethical poker site ever created

[bowserdon]

THEY DO EXPLOIT addicted gamblers

 

[Poker Orifice]

The claim of OP was, that "GGPoker is the most unethical non-scam poker site ever created", which I tend to agree with. Your response is basically of the type "but there are also other drug dealers". Which does not really adress any of the points made by OP, or by myself quoting the music as an example of, how GG Poker differ from other sites. So lets just end it here

Perhaps GG has invested more $$ into hiring a staff that is more capable of marketing... more capable of producing better software... more capable of everything that helps a site to grow. Many other sites have (and are) failing miserably as they attempt to keep up and stay in the game.
Just yesterday I see on partypoker, during tourney breaks they have a window appear in the middle of your table, suggesting you play CASINO games during the 5min. break. LOL. (I haven't experienced anything of this nature on GG thank God).

imo, it's your loss that you're not benefitting from GG. Why are all the best tournament regs. playing on GG these days?

If OP was living in the USA do you think they'd be posting this? imo, people who have had access to the different sites don't understand that online poker shouldn't be taken for granted. I have no doubt there are thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of poker players in the USA who would love to play on GGPoker.

And as for OP's claims.... of course.. duh! Live casinos are altering the temperature inside, the paint colors on walls... the designs and colors of carpets, the bells and whistles on the slot machines... how the table games are set up, etc. etc. etc. etc. to entice patrons to spend money. They are in the business to do so. (same for alcoholic beverage marketing)

And honestly, the things like river card revealing slowly and some other features that GG has that other sites don't have can mostly be turned off but these are things that might make the game feel more like a live game atmosphere as well. Other features he mentions like 'rabbit cam'... this isn't limited to just GG but perhaps GG does it better?? Personally I turn most table features off, just so I can focus better and because I like to personalize how I set up my tables.

 

[Station_Master]

I agree with the OP. For me GG is anti poker pros and regs, with crazy rake and features to make games less profitable. I dont play there.

 

[hjuosh]

I don need a "freeroll paycheck" 😅 and i dont care at all. People are people.
Just had to point that out because some members are wondering at times why rooms cut everywhere they can. Actually i think it would be more a tragedy for the types that never make deposits and depend 100 % on free offers.

Yeah im sure u leave generous tips 👍

Just because you seem very worried about the freerolls that were unfairly cut from our poker community.
So. Haha, no freeroll paycheck needed, I get it. Still, I’ll keep dropping my “generous tips” just to make sure the buffet stays open for players who actually like to eat… and laugh at the chaos

 

[Poker Orifice]

🤣 I don’t want to offend any GG fans, I’m just saying that all poker rooms find a way to “rob” you—figuratively speaking. It’s just a way of putting it. Poker rooms are to players what banks are to entrepreneurs: a necessary evil haha. In the end, every bank finds its own way to take money from you too

This site (Cardschat) used to be predominantly 'poker players' (probably 99%). Of course GG could be better than it is (better rewards, lower rake, etc.) but imo, today it is one of the best there is (if not THE BEST).
I have friends who earn a living because of being able to play on GGPoker. They would be still earning a living without GG but for some of them, they make more off of GG than all other sites combined! How is this a bad thing for poker players?

I have friends who really enjoy being able to play poker on GGPoker. Many of them are losing players but they ENJOY playing. And having the convenience to play from their livingroom couch is extremely appealing to them.

imo, it's about taking responsibility for yourself. A gambling addict is going to get their fix because 'they need it'.
The restaurant/bar doesn't make me drink their beer. The dealer doesn't make me do their drugs. And if I were an active drinker or drug user, I would appreciate both for having stuff available for me. I don't blame the dealer once my life falls apart.

You know the weirdest thing about GGPoker. Even with their current promo, I have never played a game on GGPoker that I didn't want to play in. Not a single one!

 

[Station_Master]

This site (Cardschat) used to be predominantly 'poker players' (probably 99%). Of course GG could be better than it is (better rewards, lower rake, etc.) but imo, today it is one of the best there is (if not THE BEST).
I have friends who earn a living because of being able to play on GGPoker. They would be still earning a living without GG but for some of them, they make more off of GG than all other sites combined! How is this a bad thing for poker players?

I have friends who really enjoy being able to play poker on GGPoker. Many of them are losing players but they ENJOY playing. And having the convenience to play from their livingroom couch is extremely appealing to them.

imo, it's about taking responsibility for yourself. A gambling addict is going to get their fix because 'they need it'.
The restaurant/bar doesn't make me drink their beer. The dealer doesn't make me do their drugs. And if I were an active drinker or drug user, I would appreciate both for having stuff available for me. I don't blame the dealer once my life falls apart.

You know the weirdest thing about GGPoker. Even with their current promo, I have never played a game on GGPoker that I didn't want to play in. Not a single one!

So these poker pros couldnt make a profit without GG?! Without GG there would be more traffic elsewhere with more transparent and fair terms plus lower rake, so they would be making more money. GG is just taking a larger cut at the expense of players.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I agree with the OP. For me GG is anti poker pros and regs, with crazy rake and features to make games less profitable. I dont play there.

Creating more recreational fish... resulting in better games. Personally I find the games much better than Stars. (tournament play). And I also play a bit of cash games on there as well... and prefer it over Stars as well.
The number of entrants in the tournaments on GG is incredible! $10 buyin MTT that pays out 5-figures. There are $5 buyin tourneys with $5k going to 1st. (there are also many small field, lower buyin tourneys running as well)

 

[Poker Orifice]

So these poker pros couldnt make a profit without GG?! Without GG there would be more traffic elsewhere with more transparent and fair terms plus lower rake, so they would be making more money. GG is just taking a larger cut at the expense of players.

You didn't read what I wrote.

 

[Poker Orifice]

I agree with the OP. For me GG is anti poker pros and regs, with crazy rake and features to make games less profitable. I dont play there.

If it is so 'anti-pros' why are there so many on the site? I mean there are LOADS of them!

 

[primrose]

If OP was living in the USA do you think they'd be posting this? imo, people who have had access to the different sites don't understand that online poker shouldn't be taken for granted. I have no doubt there are thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of poker players in the USA who would love to play on GGPoker

Why would I not post this if I lived in the states? (Because then I'd be an online pro rather than a live player? Even if I were an online player and playing on GG, I'd still post this. I have no problem talking badly about a service I'm using.)

 

[G0930]

I agree with the OP. For me GG is anti poker pros and regs, with crazy rake and features to make games less profitable. I dont play there.

Your loss, the majority of pros plays there but OK...so your claim is simply false

 

[Station_Master]

If it is so 'anti-pros' why are there so many on the site? I mean there are LOADS of them!

Because they've dominated the market and have the biggest games

 

[Station_Master]

Your loss, the majority of pros plays there but OK...so your claim is simply false

It doesnt make my claim false, both things can be true. Alot of pros play there as they have the biggest games and more fish. Doesnt mean they arent scummy with higher rake etc

 

[primrose]

OP has explained in a lot of detail, what he think, GG Poker does differently. Since I have never played there, I cant go to much into this discussion. But I have noticed, that as soon as I open the GG Poker client (I have an account there, which I have never used), it starts to play soothing music for me. This does not happen, when I open the clients of PokerStars, ACR Poker or 888 Poker. So already there is the first sign, that GG Poker is different and worse.

I completely forgot about the music because I turned it off as soon as I launched the client for the first time, but reading your post, I remember it. I think it's pretty far down the list of their most egregious crimes, but yea it's a small example. Fits under the sensory immersion bullet point. Also was incredibly obnoxious, I remember it was some ultra cheesy Christmas themed song.

(Please don't male pronoun me though.)

 

[primrose]

This site (Cardschat) used to be predominantly 'poker players' (probably 99%). Of course GG could be better than it is (better rewards, lower rake, etc.) but imo, today it is one of the best there is (if not THE BEST).
I have friends who earn a living because of being able to play on GGPoker. They would be still earning a living without GG but for some of them, they make more off of GG than all other sites combined! How is this a bad thing for poker players?

I have friends who really enjoy being able to play poker on GGPoker. Many of them are losing players but they ENJOY playing. And having the convenience to play from their livingroom couch is extremely appealing to them.

imo, it's about taking responsibility for yourself. A gambling addict is going to get their fix because 'they need it'.
The restaurant/bar doesn't make me drink their beer. The dealer doesn't make me do their drugs. And if I were an active drinker or drug user, I would appreciate both for having stuff available for me. I don't blame the dealer once my life falls apart.

You know the weirdest thing about GGPoker. Even with their current promo, I have never played a game on GGPoker that I didn't want to play in. Not a single one!

Poker players make money by taking it from other players, so if the site is good for pros despite high rake, this shows that GG is effective in making people gamble and lose more. Which was my point . It may be good for poker players, but I don't think it's good for society.

 

[primrose]

Don't get me wrong gambling addiciton is a serious problem but I really don't see why this is different on GGPoker.

Hard to respond to this when I list about six factors that contribute to gambling addiction and are unique to GGPoker and you respond by asking what's different about GGPoker.

 

[primrose]

Luckily you can turn most of this functionality off, which I already did

Can you turn the slow reveals off? Because I looked for this and didn't find it. Also didn't find ways to turn off options to see remaining cards, or your own hand. Or notifications for other players' wins.

 

[hjuosh]

This site (Cardschat) used to be predominantly 'poker players' (probably 99%). Of course GG could be better than it is (better rewards, lower rake, etc.) but imo, today it is one of the best there is (if not THE BEST).
I have friends who earn a living because of being able to play on GGPoker. They would be still earning a living without GG but for some of them, they make more off of GG than all other sites combined! How is this a bad thing for poker players?

I have friends who really enjoy being able to play poker on GGPoker. Many of them are losing players but they ENJOY playing. And having the convenience to play from their livingroom couch is extremely appealing to them.

imo, it's about taking responsibility for yourself. A gambling addict is going to get their fix because 'they need it'.
The restaurant/bar doesn't make me drink their beer. The dealer doesn't make me do their drugs. And if I were an active drinker or drug user, I would appreciate both for having stuff available for me. I don't blame the dealer once my life falls apart.

You know the weirdest thing about GGPoker. Even with their current promo, I have never played a game on GGPoker that I didn't want to play in. Not a single one!

You are completely right. Even I admit it—I’ve never deposited money on GG. But I’ve withdrawn over $1K just starting from scratch with the daily freebie. It used to be the same on pokerstars, but they stopped giving that opportunity once the new daily spin turned into a joke

 

[hjuosh]

You can go to an Italian pasta restaurant to feel fancy… maybe that works for you! But remember, others are paying for the whole experience—the lights, the promos, the music, even the leather seat where you park your buns—and end up eating the same, or sometimes worse, “Fettuccine al burro.” Just because you don’t want to pay extra for the same dish doesn’t make the price unfair

 

[G0930]

Hard to respond to this when I list about six factors that contribute to gambling addiction and are unique to GGPoker and you respond by asking what's different about GGPoker.

Then simply stop playing there. ..
This thread is ridiculous.
It's a business... A restaurant encourages you to eat...a casino encourages you to gamble.

 

[G0930]

It doesnt make my claim false, both things can be true. Alot of pros play there as they have the biggest games and more fish. Doesnt mean they arent scummy with higher rake etc

Yes it does make it false.
You claim it's anti pro while in fact most pros play there .

 

[GarotoMaroto]

I don't know about that.
I created a account to play CC frerolls, but I did not used a link, therefore I was not allowed to play the freerolls EVER.
So i deleted my account to re- create with the link, and guess what, they banned me forever because I deleted the account
God bless

 

[Mario7]

Well, for me it is like complaining that the site is unethical, because it is better than other sites. They just have managed to make a better, more attractive product.

Is it unethical because they have a lot of promotions, many tournaments, nice, smooth graphic, some video effects, nice music, more fun?

I understand the gambling addiction is a problem, but it is like complaining about a whiskey manufacturer that their stuff is to tasty.

As an extreme example I can even see complaints about GG Honemoon promotion. The promotiion advertises you can get $350. But it is EVIL, because the last $150 is pretty hard! The easy to get $200 is not important? Any other site offers so much?

 

[primrose]

Well, for me it is like complaining that the site is unethical, because it is better than other sites. They just have managed to make a better, more attractive product.

Is it unethical because they have a lot of promotions, many tournaments, nice, smooth graphic, some video effects, nice music, more fun?

I understand the gambling addiction is a problem, but it is like complaining about a whiskey manufacturer that their stuff is to tasty.

As an extreme example I can even see complaints about GG Honemoon promotion. The promotiion advertises you can get $350. But it is EVIL, because the last $150 is pretty hard! The easy to get $200 is not important? Any other site offers so much?

Kinda surprised this comment didn't come earlier, that was the main counterargument I expected when I submitted the thread.

It's also not wrong, under some definitions of better. I think it's of a piece with this take

It is capitalism in its essence as a system. It's no wonder that GGPoker has consolidated its position as the world's leading online poker site.

Which is also not wrong. They've made the best product by the metric that our system values.

But y'know, so did twitter. And YouTube. And TikTok. And the entire social media apparatus that's tearing society apart right now. So I don't really think it's a good argument. It doesn't help the people whose lives were ruined by GGPoker, and they most certainly exist.

 

[Mario7]

But y'know, so did twitter. And YouTube. And TikTok. And the entire social media apparatus that's tearing society apart right now. So I don't really think it's a good argument. It doesn't help the people whose lives were ruined by GGPoker, and they most certainly exist.

In general we may say that providing gambling service is unethical. But I cannot see why GG is worse than others just because they do it well.

I look at it as a customer - I like to play poker, so I need a place to play. For me GG is a good choice: reliable, no problem with taking money out, good customer service, good playing experience, attractive promotions, relatively clear rakeback system... Yes, I would of course prefer a lower rake instead of some of these promotions, but as it, is it is not so bad and not so hard to win.