Case: Funds Withheld by PokerStars (4+ Months) - Update: Complaints filed with LCB & eCOGRA

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Thank you for taking the time to do such detailed research. I appreciate you bringing up the Sharkscope data, because it allows me to provide the full missing context and clarify the entire situation.

You are absolutely right about my results in February. Here is the exact sequence of events:

  1. I had that good run and hit that ~$3,800 score.
  2. Like any player, I proceeded to withdraw a portion of those winnings, which was processed without any issues because my account was already verified.
  3. With the funds I left in the account, I continued to play, including some casino games. Unfortunately, I had a bad run and lost the remaining balance.
  4. It was at that moment, with my account near zero, that I decided to make a fresh $500 USD deposit to keep playing.
  5. Seconds after that deposit was approved and the money hit my account, my session was terminated and my account was frozen.
As you can see, the story makes perfect sense. I wasn't depositing while having a large balance. I was reloading my account after losing the previous funds. The freeze is unrelated to my winnings, but tied to a subsequent transaction. Regarding your card concerns, there were no P2P transfers or anything strange. It's my own card, which is protected by Verified by Visa, so every transaction requires my confirmation via SMS. Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to clarify this.

Makes perfect sense.

Sorry I just assume that when I see someone playing Tournaments, I immediately think they 'only' play tournaments. Just prior to reading your response I actually thought "Maybe he also plays cash tables?"

It's very odd that your Withdrawal went through and then your following Deposit went through but then the account was frozen immediately after the funds hit your account. That really sucks! Its also extremely unfortunate that most of the sites have pathetic customer support these days. When online poker was in it's BOOM days (2006-2011), support service was always EXCELLENT. Those were the days my friend
 
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Maybe u triggered something along their responsible gameplay after losing huge and then directly deposting?

In the end, none can tell u and without posting all the emails it's unfortunately only ur side of the story. I want to believe u but that does not mean anything.

My experience is if u are friendly and not send mail after mail they will also answer in a timely manner, even in 2025.
 
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After 4 months of silence, their first and only communication wasn't to ask about my strategy or software. It was an email from their "Fraud Team" asking for financial documents (bank statements, a copy of my card, etc.).
If you got an email from their Fraud Team, then quite obviously they are suspecting some kind of fraud. Which also explain, why it has taken so long. Account verification usually only takes a few days, and you now say, your account was already verified. So clearly "something" triggered a red flag, whatever it was. But hopefully there will be a resolution soon, now that the Fraud Team has begun to actually work on the matter.
 
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I completely understand your point of view, and I'm glad you've both had such a positive experience for so many years. In fact, I did too, right up until this incident.

Maybe $500 is nothing to a corporation the size of PokerStars, but for the customer who deposited that money from their own pocket, it's everything. And the issue isn't just my isolated case. The real question is: how many other players are subjected to this same "silent investigation" tactic for months? If it happens to 100, or 1,000 players, suddenly it's not "just $500" anymore. My goal is to expose a broken process that, whether intentional or not, has the same effect as theft: the unjustified withholding of someone else's funds.
Fact is no poker site steals from honest customers that don't break the TOS and no account accidently gets flagged by a poker sites fraud team which still means we're only getting half the story your half. The site also has their side of the story and you have failed to post all emails unedited so with only half the story I'm still siding with the side I know and trust the most and that's pokerstars.

Btw no site would ever last near as long as Pokerstars if they stole from innocent customers. They'd have no customers and would have been closed years ago if they did that.

Cheers!!!
 
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Makes perfect sense.

Sorry I just assume that when I see someone playing Tournaments, I immediately think they 'only' play tournaments. Just prior to reading your response I actually thought "Maybe he also plays cash tables?"

It's very odd that your Withdrawal went through and then your following Deposit went through but then the account was frozen immediately after the funds hit your account. That really sucks! Its also extremely unfortunate that most of the sites have pathetic customer support these days. When online poker was in it's BOOM days (2006-2011), support service was always EXCELLENT. Those were the days my friend
Exactly, you nailed it. The situation is completely illogical, and that's what's so frustrating. I really appreciate you taking the time to understand the full sequence of events. And you're absolutely right, customer support these days is nothing like it was in the golden era. Thanks again for your understanding.
 
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Maybe u triggered something along their responsible gameplay after losing huge and then directly deposting?

In the end, none can tell u and without posting all the emails it's unfortunately only ur side of the story. I want to believe u but that does not mean anything.

My experience is if u are friendly and not send mail after mail they will also answer in a timely manner, even in 2025.
It's a theory, but it doesn't fit. "Responsible Gaming" issues are handled by a different department and, by law, they are required to communicate with the customer. They don't investigate you in silence for 4 months.

You say you want to believe me, but ask me to post "all the emails". I'll repeat myself: How can I post emails that never existed? The core issue of my story is precisely that: their absolute silence. There's nothing to hide, because there was nothing to receive. My "side of the story" is the absence of theirs.
 
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If you got an email from their Fraud Team, then quite obviously they are suspecting some kind of fraud. Which also explain, why it has taken so long. Account verification usually only takes a few days, and you now say, your account was already verified. So clearly "something" triggered a red flag, whatever it was. But hopefully there will be a resolution soon, now that the Fraud Team has begun to actually work on the matter.
You're right, the "Fraud Team" is involved. But a legitimate fraud investigation involves communication: questions, requests for information, updates. It does not involve 120 days of silence that is only broken by public pressure, only to then ask for basic documents. The problem isn't that they are investigating; the problem is how they are doing it: unprofessionally, without communication, and, as their latest requests show, without logic.
 
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Fact is no poker site steals from honest customers that don't break the TOS and no account accidently gets flagged by a poker sites fraud team which still means we're only getting half the story your half. The site also has their side of the story and you have failed to post all emails unedited so with only half the story I'm still siding with the side I know and trust the most and that's Pokerstars.

Btw no site would ever last near as long as Pokerstars if they stole from innocent customers. They'd have no customers and would have been closed years ago if they did that.

Cheers!!!
You say I'm only showing "my half of the story." The other half is a void: zero emails, zero responses, and zero explanations for four months. I cannot show you what does not exist. That is their half of the story: negligence.

You say a company wouldn't last if it stole from innocent customers. Maybe you should ask yourself why there's a growing number of complaints just like mine on every poker forum. Maybe that's why the tables aren't as full as they used to be. A company's reputation is truly seen in how it treats customers when there are problems, not when everything is going well.
 
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There's one important detail you don't mention. Why the hell did they withhold your money? They don't do it randomly because they feel like it.
I support you)) there must have been some incident that caused PokerStars to freeze your withdrawal... PokerStars is the most honest of all online poker rooms))
 
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But a legitimate fraud investigation involves communication: questions, requests for information, updates. It does not involve 120 days of silence that is only broken by public pressure, only to then ask for basic documents. The problem isn't that they are investigating; the problem is how they are doing it: unprofessionally, without communication, and, as their latest requests show, without logic.
Most likely they just have a backlog of cases and did not begin looking at your case until recently. If you apply for something, like a building permit or residence permit, it is also completely normal, that there is "120 days of silence", before someone have time to look at your case. If a murder is committed, the police begin their investigation right away. But if they receive a report of something less serious, it might take a while, before they start an investigation.

I personally know a case, where it took the police more than 3 years to begin an investigation. This is of course not ideal, but its not unprofessional or illegitimate, nor does it mean, that the person under investigation was being scammed by the police. It just mean, the Fraud Team (which is likely only a few people) were busy working on other cases, that either came in before yours, or were more serious and needed more urgent attention.
The other half is a void: zero emails, zero responses, and zero explanations for four months. I cannot show you what does not exist. That is their half of the story: negligence.
If the police did not yet have time to begin an investigation, they also dont spend time sending responses or explanations to the person being investigated every week. They only contact him, when they want to interrogate him or something similar. But perhaps PokerStars could have have a done a better job of explaining you, that it might take a while, when your case was forwarded to the Fraud Team.
Maybe you should ask yourself why there's a growing number of complaints just like mine on every poker forum.
No there is not. There is pretty much only your complaint in this forum for the past several month if not years.
Maybe that's why the tables aren't as full as they used to be.
I think, there are many other reasons for that beginning with Black Friday in 2011, the fact poker is largely a solved game etc. Also how do you know, how full the tables used to be, if you only played there for a few days, until your account was frozen? Of course you might have read about the declining volume on PokerStars and other sites, but when you frame it this way, it sounds more like personal experience.
A company's reputation is truly seen in how it treats customers when there are problems, not when everything is going well.
This is true. But to be honest with you, most people likely care a lot more about things like rake, promotions, game selection and software quality, than how long it takes for a fraud team to begin an investigation. This is, because most people sign up to poker sites to play rather than to commit fraud. I am not saying, you committed fraud. But I also cant say, you did not commit fraud, because I simply dont know.

Its entirely possible, you did commit some kind of fraud like for instance multiaccounting, and now you are using this thread to put pressure on PokerStars to lay down their investigation and return your $500. You might think, that their reputation is worth more to them than $500, and that you can use a smearing campaign as a weapon to get your money back.
 
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You say I'm only showing "my half of the story." The other half is a void: zero emails, zero responses, and zero explanations for four months. I cannot show you what does not exist. That is their half of the story: negligence.

You say a company wouldn't last if it stole from innocent customers. Maybe you should ask yourself why there's a growing number of complaints just like mine on every poker forum. Maybe that's why the tables aren't as full as they used to be. A company's reputation is truly seen in how it treats customers when there are problems, not when everything is going well.

There is no negligence. Fact is you're under investigation by their fraud team and likely for a good reason. They don't waste time on a fraud investigations just for fun and shits and giggles.

No actually I don't ask myself that. I've seen 100's of these posts over 20+ years. Fact is the vast majority don't come back completely innocent. This post is no different then the 1000's and 1000's of rigged posts, scammed posts and poker sites are cheating me posts. I've seen them everyday for the last 20+ years. All we ever get is one side.......up until someone does some digging and we get the truth eventually gets out. Which usually NEVER favors the OP.

Nothing has been stolen. YOU'RE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY THIER FRAUD TEAM. When that's over you'll hear from them.

PS. You don't even know if you really did anything wrong or not because you like 95+% of people NEVER read any sites TOS. Meaning you don't even know all the rules Pokerstars has that you could have unknowingly broke. Anyways hope Pokerstars gets back to you soon and IF innocent you get your $500 back.

Cheers!!!
 
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All we ever get is one side.......up until someone does some digging and we get the truth eventually gets out. Which usually NEVER favors the OP.
To be fair there are cases, that are eventually solved in favour of the player, who had their account frozen. From this forum I remember some stories about people living together with someone else, who played on the same poker site, and who came under suspicion for multiaccounting but were eventually cleared.

There was also a case about someone, who had been excluded from pokerstars.com for responsible gambling reasons, and when PokerStars opened a new geolimited site in Ontario he signed up there and played for a while, until the responsible gambling team found out. At first they would not pay him out his money, but eventually they did.

But in none of those cases did the poker site just randomly freeze peoples accounts for no reason at all. This OP was playing mid to high stakes MTTs, cash games and reportedly even casino games. Which mean he was generating a ton of rake. And of course PokerStars would not stop him from doing that, unless they had reason to suspect a serious violation of some sort.
 
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