Men playing in ladies poker tournaments?

[Aballinamion]

I would love to be part of a women’s tournament.
First because the tables would have such a divine smell, ever time sitting by the side of 7, 8 ladies that is something special to me.
The women’s perfume and presence would stupefy my poor senses, and I would easily get knocked out.
On top of that many people think I’m woman, when I’m online, and personally many people think I’m gay, because I’m delicate, sensitive and attentive, and I like very much to be confounded to a gay, or compared to it, it shows I’m not so brutal and harsh as many men are.
I’m like the old poet Homer, I love women: “Sing in me oh Muse!”

Best regards;

 

[dreamer13]

pokerstars hosts such tournaments every day, where men play with their wives' or relatives' accounts.

 

[Emily Trott]

Thank you Shells! I think that Mr. Hughes is a born smartalec, as my mother called it, and we would have probably been friends in high school.

Based upon additional information that I've seen, I am rescinding this statement and stating that I would not have been friends with a person like this. There is no excuse at all for treating a dealer poorly under any circumstances, let alone just because you are on a downward swing.

According to Kenney, Hughes began the heads-up match with a 6-1 chip lead and “asked for the $100 back he contributed for his bounty. He’s now down 3-1 in chips and has talked completely disrespectfully to the dealer. Nice guy façade has crumbled.”

The Muck: Man Wins Ladies Event at WPT Seminole Hard Rock Poker Showdown

The poker community didn't hold back on their thoughts regarding men in ladies events.

www.pokernews.com

 

[Dobbler1]

That's basically "separate but equal" and that doesn't work anymore since the Civil Rights Act of 1964

It's not if it's private event. It's the exact same reasoning as the WNBA. Again, not a lawyer though.

It would only come into play if some man was not allowed to enter the tournament and decided to start a lawsuit. I can't think of any other logical reason why this man was allowed to play in the tournament.

Reverse political correctness is something I see in the US all the time. That's what "all lives matter" is. It's a reaction to perceived over-political-correctness, and ironically it's its own brand of cancel culture. I don't know that's what it is, but in my mind it's a feasible alternative explanation. Or maybe I'm wrong.

 

[ENRIQUE23977]

If is a tournament for ladies. Why do they let this man participate and with that big beard they don't realize he's a man, my God?

Maybe the casino will let you in on purpose to gain attention and publicity, or if you get In The Money as a step, they'll take away your prize for not following the rules.

This man has no shame, besides being so old .

 

[I Live Poker]

Hello.🙂
In fact, I have a rather ambivalent feeling about this.
On the one hand: why not? If he is the only man in the women's tournament, then it can still be called a women's tournament. 🤷‍♀️
Moreover, such an excellent prize for knocking it out can add excitement to women and motivate them to get rid of he sooner. ☺
On the other hand, I may be wrong, but as far as I remember, it is impossible to prohibit men from playing in a women's tournament by gender, but men, unlike women, must pay the full cost of the ticket (although maybe I'm confused with some specific event).
I just don't understand why men climb into the women's tournament? Because there are fewer rivals there? 🤦‍♀️There are really fewer women, so why not let them play in peace? 😤It seems that going to the women's tournament, men naively believe that no one will knock them out there. 😤

But, in fact, specifically in this case, I would not be upset by the presence of a man. It's a pity that no one has knocked him out.🤷‍♀️

there is another very interesting point in that Mishka , few men in women's tournaments, simulates the current situation in which women find themselves in open poker tournaments. Outnumbered, the only difference is that most women are sweet and polite, while men are the opposite. Not that I believe an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is the best way, but that men in women's tournaments should be teased, belittled and humiliated. As we've seen many times in the opposite situation, there's a balance to this.

 

[Chica_bonita]

there is another very interesting point in that Mishka , few men in women's tournaments, simulates the current situation in which women find themselves in open poker tournaments.

Victor, Slightly deviating from the author's topic, I would like to ask you not to distort my name (this is not the first time I see this), since it sounds absolutely wrong - it's not my name. 🙂
Thank you in advance.🌺🌺🌺

 

[Emily Trott]

It's not if it's private event. It's the exact same reasoning as the WNBA. Again, not a lawyer though.

It is not a private event. It is an event being held by a state regulated venue that is open to the public. According to the article I posted "Per state law, management is unable to bar a man from entering a ladies' event in Florida."

 

[Emily Trott]

I just had a thought about something while posting about this on another talk board.

Would the money for the bounty go back to the people who put it up when Mr. Hughes won the tournament? I think that it would because the bounty was to go to whoever knocked him out of the tournament, and no one did that.

 

[Dobbler1]

It is not a private event. It is an event being held by a state regulated venue that is open to the public. According to the article I posted "Per state law, management is unable to bar a man from entering a ladies' event in Florida."

Again, as two non-lawyers, we're both just speculating, but if it was a fair comparison with racial segregation, then state law isn't the question, as the civil rights act is federal. The casino, and the article in question, only mention state laws and the conspicuous absence of reference to federal law makes me think it's not the same thing.

 

[Ashley Sleeth]

What do you think of this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652740936210829317

Like others have mentioned, I think it's poor sportsmanship for men to jump in the Ladies' event. They are specifically designed for women to have a less intimidating space to play. (I personally only tried live poker for the first time when there was a ladies tournament hosted nearby. I felt more comfortable asking for help with how to handle chips, etc.)

On the other hand, when venues charge men 10x as much to buy in, I don't mind them playing. (The wsop ladies event is $1,000 for ladies and $10,000 for men.) I don't encourage them to play or get excited that they're there. BUT as a professional, you have to look at their participation as dead money and think, "Thank you for donating! Long term, you are losing tons of money by paying that mark up".

 

[Ashley Sleeth]

I agree that women should enjoy equal rights to men, but sadly that is not always the case. Although women have a right to play in open poker events, there are still some men who make it a point to harass and bully women at the poker table to make sure they do not feel welcome. The purpose of ladies-only events is to provide a safer environment for women to play poker. That being said, people are people, and sometimes even at the ladies-only events there can be unpleasant situations...just part of life, I guess. I just think if men could give that little bit of space for ladies-only events, then more women will venture into the open events.

well said. fully agree.

 

[Roobz75]

So his money was good enough to ignore his gender and let him play? Just shows you how scrupulous some these tournament organisers can be!
I wonder if he was in a male toilet and saw a woman in there, adjusting her undergarments, would he say, "that's ok, you can finish up, while I look the other way." Not sure he would. If anything, he'd probably be quick to point out this is for males not females....🤨🤨🤨

 

[Emily Trott]

Again, as two non-lawyers, we're both just speculating, but if it was a fair comparison with racial segregation, then state law isn't the question, as the civil rights act is federal. The casino, and the article in question, only mention state laws and the conspicuous absence of reference to federal law makes me think it's not the same thing.

You are definitely correct about neither of us being attorneys. That doesn't mean however that we can't use what we've learned along the way during our lives in order to make an educated judgement about the probable cause for something. These are my reasons for believing that I am correct, but you are definitely entitled to have a differing opinion based upon your own evaluation of things. Enjoy your day!

(42 U.S.C. § 12181). Casinos are considered places of public accommodation because they are private entities that own, lease or operate a place of public accommodation.

https://digital.bnpmedia.com/publication/?i=674139&article_id=3767325&view=articleBrowser

42 U.S. Code § 12181 - Definitions

www.law.cornell.edu

You have the right to full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation. You cannot be treated differently by a place of public accommodation because of your race, color, religion, or national origin.

https://www.justice.gov/crt/page/file/1251321/download#:~:text=You%20have%20the%20right%20to,any%20place%20of%20public%20accommodation.&text=You%20cannot%20be%20treated%20differently,%2C%20religion%2C%20or%20national%20origin.

 

[Emily Trott]

So his money was good enough to ignore his gender and let him play? Just shows you how scrupulous some these tournament organisers can be!
I wonder if he was in a male toilet and saw a woman in there, adjusting her undergarments, would he say, "that's ok, you can finish up, while I look the other way." Not sure he would. If anything, he'd probably be quick to point out this is for males not females....🤨🤨🤨

From personal experience, and after the stunned look left his face, he would tell her that she was in the wrong place. Of course the urinals should have told her that before he showed up.

 

[I Live Poker]

Victor, Slightly deviating from the author's topic, I would like to ask you not to distort my name (this is not the first time I see this), since it sounds absolutely wrong - it's not my name. 🙂
Thank you in advance.🌺🌺🌺

You 're welcome , but we 're even because my name is Vitor and not Victor , it also sounds very different

 

[RENEY444]

Women's tourneys are for women .

 

[venycyos]

Women are as capable as men, I don't see the point of separating them, but if they break up I think it's silly for a man to want to enter. If the rule is for women only, it wasn't necessary for him to be there. I don't know, my opinion is as confusing as this issue.

 

[Poker_Mike]

Women are as capable as men, I don't see the point of separating them, but if they break up I think it's silly for a man to want to enter. If the rule is for women only, it wasn't necessary for him to be there. I don't know, my opinion is as confusing as this issue.

A Women's only poker tournament encourages more women to enter and play.

Poker can be intimidating for people who are somewhat shy.

I have met women who shake with fear during live play against a whole table of men. Some women are self-conscious about being observed by every other player at the table.

And there are other intimidating situations - like players saying things to try to tilt the woman player.

This is probably a worthy thread topic on its own.

 

[DAVID KEHRER]

If it was a ladies only tourney he should not been able to play. On the other hand if they let him there was no advantage woman play as good as men.

 

[stan1250]

What do you think of this?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1652740936210829317

Maybe he identifies as a woman

 

[LUKADONCICMVP]

that´s not fair at all man should not be only alllowed to play there ever

 

[lauestla]

I am not a lawyer so I don't know if the organizers had a legal way to forbid him to play.
But even if there is no real advantage to be a man in a poker tournament (not the same in sport competitions), I think it's ridiculous for a man to win a Ladies tournament. It's like if he was not able to make a good result in an open tournament. Shame on him...

 

[iwont20]

Pokerstars hosts such tournaments every day, where men play with their wives' or relatives' accounts.

Yes that happens a lot. I regularly saw one male Cardschat member in Lady Tournament on partypoker when they ran one.

 

[iwont20]

Pokerstars upon registering to Ladies' tournaments warns that you can play as a man, but if you win you can't have the winnings. Although I don't know the mechanisms behind that statement and how the prize pool is distributed if a male's account got into prizes, but I think it's a more fair approach - we can't prevent your desire to play and increase the prize pool, but you can't win any of it if you didn't meet the requirements 😀