Why am I not making money in poker?

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Sometimes I catch myself thinking: why am I still not making money in poker the way I want to? I read articles, watch videos, try to study ranges and math, but the results just don’t match my expectations. On one hand, I know poker is a marathon, not a sprint. You can’t expect instant success here. But on the other hand, there’s always that voice inside: “What am I doing wrong?”

I put in hours at the tables, but I still notice how emotions creep into my decisions. Sometimes I want to chase losses, and deep down I realize those moments are what ruin my bankroll. Maybe the real issue is discipline? Maybe I’m not strict enough with myself yet.

Another thing is expectations. Many beginners (myself included at first) believe poker is an easy way to make money. But the truth is, it’s anything but easy. It’s hard work. It’s constant studying, accepting downswings, and facing your own weaknesses over and over again.

Maybe the real answer is patience. Maybe my current level just isn’t enough yet to win consistently, and I simply need to keep going, keep grinding, keep learning.

So here’s my question to you, guys: why do you think so many players, even the ones who really try, still don’t end up making money? Is it just bad luck, mental leaks, or the fact that they aren’t ready to put in as much work as this game demands?
 
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I think that in 90% of cases, the reason is that players don't put in enough effort. Only a few are persistent and consistent enough in their actions.
 
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Думаю, в 90% случаев причина в том, что игроки не прилагают достаточно усилий. Лишь немногие проявляют настойчивость и последовательность в своих действиях.
Can you make money playing poker?
 
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Sometimes I catch myself thinking: why am I still not making money in poker the way I want to? I read articles, watch videos, try to study ranges and math, but the results just don’t match my expectations. On one hand, I know poker is a marathon, not a sprint. You can’t expect instant success here. But on the other hand, there’s always that voice inside: “What am I doing wrong?”

I put in hours at the tables, but I still notice how emotions creep into my decisions. Sometimes I want to chase losses, and deep down I realize those moments are what ruin my bankroll. Maybe the real issue is discipline? Maybe I’m not strict enough with myself yet.

Another thing is expectations. Many beginners (myself included at first) believe poker is an easy way to make money. But the truth is, it’s anything but easy. It’s hard work. It’s constant studying, accepting downswings, and facing your own weaknesses over and over again.

Maybe the real answer is patience. Maybe my current level just isn’t enough yet to win consistently, and I simply need to keep going, keep grinding, keep learning.

So here’s my question to you, guys: why do you think so many players, even the ones who really try, still don’t end up making money? Is it just bad luck, mental leaks, or the fact that they aren’t ready to put in as much work as this game demands?
Well I think that: in gambling the house allways wins, so maybe dont play that much online and go live table play only.
Try not to go all in before the River, and only with and 80% or higher win percentage of the pot at that time.
If then still not winning money, you better change your mind and game play in Total and try and other way.

When you bounce your head 3 times by walking through a door, you have to think of crawling you know what I mean.
 
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Seems like you've answered your own question. For you and many others its probably letting emotions take over and then making bad plays.
 
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You should probably learn more about Poker, as simple as that. You can’t make enough profit’s without mastering bluffing and playing positions. Good luck in your journey, I would suggest GTO Wizard Preflop and YouTube lessons for you.
 
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Everyone can't be a winner for obvious reasons.

Only about 5-10% of poker players are consistently profitable over the long term. And the long term can be very long.

The large majority of players either lose or break even.

And if you play MTTs instead of Cash, you are practically playing a lottery with a little skill mixed in.
 
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Sounds like you need to work on all the below as they are just as important knowing how to play and studying strategy. So may be more time working on yourself and these thing over study strategy for awhile.
1) Bankroll management
2) Mental toughness/Discipline
3) Game selection
4) Tilt control
5) Patience

Touching on number 4 what stakes and games do you play online? Maybe it's just a case of playing to high or game selection. Online has never been tougher. So it's easier to think one's skill level is better then it is. It's no shame to have to start at 2nl or 5nl. I know they seem like small stakes and you may have a bankroll already big enough for 2nl and 5nl but that doesn't mean you're ready to play them stakes.

Where I would start might be the book link below idk. I've heard it's a great read and has worked for others. Personally I've never read it yet as I have pretty strong game already when it comes to the 5 above things. Some day thou I plan on getting to read it.

Personally I'd start with $50 playing 2nl cash and work my way up too a $500 bankroll. I'd then keep playing cash during the week and start playing $3-$5 MTT's on the weekends. With a $500 cash bankroll you're also bankrolled for 10nl cash. Best of luck.

Cheers!!!
 
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Great point! Honestly, I think most players spend all their time studying charts, ranges, and math — but forget the real boss fight is in their own head. Controlling emotions is way harder than memorizing a GTO chart.

Chasing losses? That’s like trying to win back your ex — almost always ends badly! It’s pure tilt, and decisions become about revenge instead of logic. Even the best players in the world had to go through this phase, but they learned to control their mind before controlling the game.

And let’s talk about expectations… so many players think poker is a quick cash machine. Nope. It’s more like a slow cooker — takes time, patience, and discipline. If you expect instant money, you’re gonna be tilted before the river card hits.

In my opinion, those who keep learning, stay disciplined, and accept that poker is a marathon, not a sprint, are the ones who succeed. Luck helps in the short run, but in the long run, skill and discipline are the real MVPs.

Question for everyone: How do you keep your cool? Do you have a routine or trick to avoid tilt and stop chasing losses? (Because I’m still looking for the magic “don’t go broke” button! 😅)
 
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So here’s my question to you, guys: why do you think so many players, even the ones who really try, still don’t end up making money? Is it just bad luck, mental leaks, or the fact that they aren’t ready to put in as much work as this game demands?
No, no, and no. It's not bad luck, it's not mental leaks, and no, it's not a lack of work, either. Poker is easy compared to most games; you don't actually need to put in that much work. Especially if you've already spent a lot of time on it, I can guarantee you that "more work" is not the answer.

And tilt is also not the answer. If it were tilt, then unless you're tiling all the time, you'd have a solid winning record most of the time, with a few major dips. You didn't show any stats, but I think you would know it if this were the case. The fact that you have to guess what the problem is shows that it's not tilt.

The problem is almost certainly that you're ineffective at improving. This also follows from how you talk about in the OP (and not just you, it's how most people talk about it). You're treating it as a social contract. "I did X, Y, and Z, I put in N many hours, now I'm entitled to be good". It doesn't work this way. You're not getting better by putting in work of fulfilling social obligations; you only get better by actually getting better. This is different in most other games, where you can just kind play and maybe study in a suboptimal way, and you'll still improve. Poker is different (mainly due to the lack of feedback while playing); it's uniquely easy in this game to play or even "study" while not actually imrpoving.

For example, suppose you're watching a strategy video. It's probably not part of a tutorial or carefully crafted series, but just whatever latest video popped up on whatever YouTube channel you're following. Maybe the video is titled "3 MISTAKES people make with pocket Jacks that COST YOU MONEY". You spend 20 minutes watching the video. Afterwards, you're playing for 2 hours. You're getting pocket JJs for the first time after 30 minutes. Now you either don't remember to think about the video, or you do but it's not applicable in this case (because it was probably a bunch of GTO charts you can't remember anyway). You probably implement none of it. By the time you get your next JJ this session, you're not even thinking about it. Then the session is over. By the next day, you've forgotten it completely. Now you've spend 20 minutes "studying" but how much improvement did you get form it? The answer is 0. If you multiply this by 1000, you've now spent a lot of time studying, but the improvement you got is still 0. I think this is probably what a lot of people do.

If you are serious about getting better, stop watching random videos. Stop watching any pro games if you do. Stop watching random hand reviews from other people. Search up a specific resource that you think is good that covers a few concepts, and then focus on implementing those particular concepts for an extended amount of time. Don't look at something else every day and then think about it twice during your session; have a small enough number of concepts in the "current improvement" bucket that you have the mental bandwidth to constnatly reflect on them during your games. Always ask yourself if you're actually applying the concept in your games, and if you're not, figure out why not and fix it.

And also, review your hands. This is actually the best demonstration of my claim that almost no one is effective at actually getting better. We have a hand review sub-board where anyone can just post their own hands and get advise on what they did wrong, for free, without limit. Reviewing your own hands is absolutely crucial for improving because it shows you whether you implemented a concept right or not. It fixes the problem of feedback that makes poker uniquely hard to get better at. Yet, almost no one posts there. We have less than one new submission per day. And I know why; posting there is hard. You have to show everyone that you're making stupid mistakes. Then you have to let othters tell you what you did wrong. It's a little humiliating. It's certainly not fun. It's so much easier to hang out in the remaining forum and talk on a high level about topics where no one can verify anything. It doesn't help you get better, but it certainly feels nice.

If someone actually cared about improving their game rather than feeling good, the rational behavior would be to keep posting hands for review until others tell them that it's too much and they should stop. Yet, again, no one is doing that.

I could have written a much friendlier reply, like "oh you just have to believe in yourself, then eventually your results will improve" or "It's just a matter of discipline, if you just don't tilt during your game, then thing will be fine". But I think those things wouldn't be true; in the truth is what I wrote here.
 
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Sounds like you need to work on all the below as they are just as important knowing how to play and studying strategy. So may be more time working on yourself and these thing over study strategy for awhile.
1) Bankroll management
2) Mental toughness/Discipline
3) Game selection
4) Tilt control
5) Patience

Touching on number 4 what stakes and games do you play online? Maybe it's just a case of playing to high or game selection. Online has never been tougher. So it's easier to think one's skill level is better then it is. It's no shame to have to start at 2nl or 5nl. I know they seem like small stakes and you may have a bankroll already big enough for 2nl and 5nl but that doesn't mean you're ready to play them stakes.

Where I would start might be the book link below idk. I've heard it's a great read and has worked for others. Personally I've never read it yet as I have pretty strong game already when it comes to the 5 above things. Some day thou I plan on getting to read it.

Personally I'd start with $50 playing 2nl cash and work my way up too a $500 bankroll. I'd then keep playing cash during the week and start playing $3-$5 MTT's on the weekends. With a $500 cash bankroll you're also bankrolled for 10nl cash. Best of luck.

Cheers!!!
Dude, simply the best tip I've read. I'm not even going to comment on the post, just endorse what you said. And I'll also try to apply what you said to my own game.
 
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Only those who know how to detect fish at the tables can earn money playing poker. I believe you have heard stories about how professional players can beat beginners without even looking at their cards. Yes, the things you mentioned are important, but they are just additional details of poker. Psychology is the most important thing in poker! :cool:
 
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It’s basically done to luck. Study etc will be marginal for your success. You have to get a run of cards and not be unlucky. Most of us play premium hands, when they don’t win then it’s back to the drawing board.
 
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There are a few common reasons players struggle to profit:

Playing too many hands – Loose play bleeds chips. Tighten up your range.

Lack of bankroll management – If you’re playing above your limits, variance will crush you.

Tilt and emotional play – Bad beats lead to bad decisions if you can’t reset.

Not studying enough – Winning players constantly review hands, study ranges, and learn new strategies.

Ignoring position – Playing out of position too often is a silent bankroll killer.

Underestimating variance – Even good players can run bad for weeks. If your fundamentals aren’t solid, variance looks like bad luck but is often bad play.

Poker is a long-term skill game. If you’re not making money, it’s probably a mix of these factors. Start tracking your sessions, review hands, and focus on small improvements each day.
 
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Dude, simply the best tip I've read. I'm not even going to comment on the post, just endorse what you said. And I'll also try to apply what you said to my own game.
Thanks I have my moments lol. Over 20+ years I've learned poker isn't only about knowing how to play and knowing strategy. It's also about one's shelve and overall mental game and all the things I've listed. Which in most cases is a lot harder to work on and fix. Anyone can learn decent poker strategy and preflop charts.

Cheers!!!
 
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That is a dream that every poker player dream about but I think just 5-10% can take profit from it
 
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And also, review your hands. This is actually the best demonstration of my claim that almost no one is effective at actually getting better. We have a hand review sub-board where anyone can just post their own hands and get advise on what they did wrong, for free, without limit. Reviewing your own hands is absolutely crucial for improving because it shows you whether you implemented a concept right or not. It fixes the problem of feedback that makes poker uniquely hard to get better at. Yet, almost no one posts there. We have less than one new submission per day. And I know why; posting there is hard. You have to show everyone that you're making stupid mistakes. Then you have to let othters tell you what you did wrong. It's a little humiliating. It's certainly not fun. It's so much easier to hang out in the remaining forum and talk on a high level about topics where no one can verify anything. It doesn't help you get better, but it certainly feels nice.

If someone actually cared about improving their game rather than feeling good, the rational behavior would be to keep posting hands for review until others tell them that it's too much and they should stop. Yet, again, no one is doing that.

I could have written a much friendlier reply, like "oh you just have to believe in yourself, then eventually your results will improve" or "It's just a matter of discipline, if you just don't tilt during your game, then thing will be fine". But I think those things wouldn't be true; in the truth is what I wrote here.
Kudos for a well thought post.

I slightly disagree for the last part though.
Reviewing one's hands can certainly be valuable, but posting them here can have its drawbacks too. I don't mind looking like an *ss with my hand but I do mind the quality of possible feedback.
So many things need to be taken into account when reviewing a decision made during a game. Some posters forget to give all necessary info to even review someone's hand properly, and sometimes reviewers make a half-*ss job when giving feedback to others. A good review includes more than just saying "I would have played that in a that way and do that next". It should also include the thought process explaining their reasoning.

So the number 1 reason I don't post hands: I do not trust the quality of feedback.
 
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I think sometimes because poker is a 'game' rather than a career/job, many players tend to think that anyone can learn it and master it. While to an extent this is true, the best poker players are no different to the best doctors or the best salesmen or the best manager.

While of course they put loads of work in away from the tables, they also just have a great aptitude for it, natural talent, for the maths or reading players, or picking up tells and retaining all this info, maybe they are naturally calm and don't let any bad beats affect the rest of their session.

Now of course we can all improve in these areas, if you're naturally gifted in any of these areas, or multiple, then being great at poker will be much easier. Just like I can't be a pro footballer, it doesn't matter if I went to soccer schools from5 years old and had the best coaching, I'm simply not talented enough.

Now, I'm not saying this is you, but I am saying that some perspective is often needed when trying to be at the top of anthng you do in life!! Sometimes its just not possible.

You made some great points, as did many others, but also maybe you need to re frame your expectations of poker.

Its not actually that hard to make small amounts of money, part time in your free time. Moving on from that posistion is much harder though.
 
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Kudos for a well thought post.

I slightly disagree for the last part though.
Reviewing one's hands can certainly be valuable, but posting them here can have its drawbacks too. I don't mind looking like an *ss with my hand but I do mind the quality of possible feedback.
So many things need to be taken into account when reviewing a decision made during a game. Some posters forget to give all necessary info to even review someone's hand properly, and sometimes reviewers make a half-*ss job when giving feedback to others. A good review includes more than just saying "I would have played that in a that way and do that next". It should also include the thought process explaining their reasoning.

So the number 1 reason I don't post hands: I do not trust the quality of feedback.
You're not wrong that people will post bad takes, but is this really a reason not to do it? Sure not everyone will give good feedback, but @fundiver199 will, so you'll get at valuable input from at least one person. Why not just ignore the rest? (Or a bunch of the rest, anyway; it's not like no one else ever posts good takes!) I think if you just ask people to explain their takes, you'll probably be able to figure out which of it you should take seriously.

Also, you're not restricted to this forum. 2plus2 also has an active community, and they have a higher proportion of strong players than CardsChat. (And also a much harsher culture, less beginner friendly, you're more likely to get made fun of, so I totally get why you wouldn't feel welcome there.) But still, if we're talking purely quality of feedback, you can post there and they will tell you what you did wrong. And there are probably more options as well.
 
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Dedicate your life to it and you gonna make it
Join a pro team
Study,play and review your hands every day
God bless
 
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be patient and learn to be patient-play your position , like the tablet of ranges in Game
 
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Maybe the real answer is patience. Maybe my current level just isn’t enough yet to win consistently, and I simply need to keep going, keep grinding, keep learning.

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I think you're still very early in your journey.
If you're playing tournaments, your goal of 'win consistently' is a pretty lofty one, especially if you're only playing a few tourneys per day (even great players can have multiple losing sessions... and I'm referring to players who are putting in 50 mtt's per day (sometimes for many months :( )

My advice >
Forget about the money ("Fuhged abow dit") & instead focus on improving your game & the money will take care of itself.
 
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I think you're still very early in your journey.
If you're playing tournaments, your goal of 'win consistently' is a pretty lofty one, especially if you're only playing a few tourneys per day (even great players can have multiple losing sessions... and I'm referring to players who are putting in 50 mtt's per day (sometimes for many months :( )

My advice >
Forget about the money ("Fuhged abow dit") & instead focus on improving your game & the money will take care of itself.
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