$6.6 NL HE STT: Pocket aces facing a massive overbet on paired board

[fundiver199]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

STT

Buy-in

6.6

Currency

$

I started out with a check for some pot control, since I dont think, my hand is good for 3 streets of value on this specific board, and it does not need any protection. The opponent is either way ahead or drawing nearly dead. However the pot control plan went out the window, when the opponent simply shipped in his entire 47BB stack. Game is a 8-man regular speed SnG on ACR Poker, we are in the third blind level, and the opponent had stats of VPIP 29 / PFR 11 over 28 hands. Would you make this call?

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - 25/50 (5 ante) - 8 players
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UTG (Hero): 3,190 (64 bb)
UTG+1: 2,333 (47 bb)
MP: 1,944 (39 bb)
MP+1: 1,208 (24 bb)
CO: 2,393 (48 bb)
BU: 2,335 (47 bb)
SB: 1,031 (21 bb)
BB: 1,566 (31 bb)

Pre-Flop: (115) Hero is UTG with A♣ A♦
Hero raises to 125, UTG+1 calls 125, 6 players fold

Flop: (365) K♦ K♣ 6♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 2,203 (all-in), Hero?

 

[Andyreas]

Without any further notes on the opponent, I would not make the call.

What I noticed that such bets are often for value.

I'd only call if I've seen the player do it with weak holdings before.

Of course he might also do it with a hand like 77-99 for "protection" but that's a weird move.

 

[primrose]

Agreed. My experience has also been that gigantic bets are almost always value. The most likely hand here is probably 66.

 

[fundiver199]

Thanks for the comments. I actually have a very different read on this situation at least for online poker, since I dont play live. And my read is, that if people actually flop trips or a boat on a bone dry board like this, then they will often slowplay it, or perhaps make a small bet to not shut their opponent out of the pot. So while my original plan was to not play for stacks, when he made this move, I did stick in a call, and I did not even think to much about it. Here is the result:

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[primrose]

I remembered someone posting a similar hand recently, and yeah it's here -- but, that was indeed also live.

Do tendencies really differ that much? That would be interesting if it were the case. Although the other question is, would you have posted this hand if it had been value? Not saying you wouldn't have, but since you can decide after the fact, there is a potential for survivorship bias.

 

[fundiver199]

I remembered someone posting a similar hand recently, and yeah it's here -- but, that was indeed also live.

Yes its this one. It was a different texture though. 662 2-tone, so there was a flushdraw and some gutshots, which trips might want to "protect" against. The hand was also 125BB deep, whereas this one was 47BB deep. I am not sure, I would have called here for 100+ BB. Live there is also more of a "missed opportunity" situation, unless you can rebuy. Even when that is not the case, online you can always just play another one.

££250 NL HE MTT: HJ shoves post-flop into my AA on BTN v.early in live MTT

Note - this is in a live 2-day MTT, so everything is to best of my memory, but I am pretty sure it's accurate re: positions/action etc. Early in day 1 (very early, like 4th hand) very little action so far. Stacks all very close to 25,000 starting size give or take a couple of blinds (100/200...

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Do tendencies really differ that much?

Tough to say. Its an absurd line to ship the flop for 6-10 times the size of the pot, when you are in position and have two more streets to get the chips in, if you want to. Hard to say, why people do it, but in an online hand like this, I would think, its a "fish on tilt" move most of the time. Maybe he just suffered a bad beat or got outplayed at another table and decided, that this was not going to happen again. So he was just going to ship his TT and not let me hit a J, Q or A. I guess, it could also be a misclick. Maybe he wanted to bet 40% pot but hit his all-in button instead.

Although the other question is, would you have posted this hand if it had been value? Not saying you wouldn't have, but since you can decide after the fact, there is a potential for survivorship bias.

Thats a fair question. On the flip side would the other hand have been posted, if the OP had won it? Many people tend to have questions about the hands, they lose.

 

[Poker Orifice]

YOu didn't tell us his name was 'TheSchmo'... in which case of course it's a call. He's a freak'n schmo!

fwiw, never folding!

 

[fundiver199]

YOu didn't tell us his name was 'TheSchmo'... in which case of course it's a call. He's a freak'n schmo!

Yeah maybe that should go on the list of online tells?

 

[puzzlefish]

Now post the ones where they actually did this with Kx 😉

It's just a spot of Russian roulette with some random person that's either got nothing or is wanting your stack so badly they can't help but vomit theirs all-in over the board.

 

[fundiver199]

Now post the ones where they actually did this with Kx 😉

I dont actually see this hardly ever in the low stakes games, I mainly play. Or at least thats my perception. I think, there are basically two reasons, why people make such a ridiculous overbet on a dry board.

1) They are on tilt and just want to take it down with a hand like the one, he had.
2) They are completely new to the game and dont understand, that this is not the best way to get paid.

I will say though, that in freerolls or the low end of the micros, you will likely see reason 2) more often. I remember reading the poker tutorial on Zynga Poker years ago. And it actually told people to fold, if they missed, bet if they had a good hand, and go all-in if they had the nuts. So there are some complete beginners, who think like this, and in freerolls its also more likely, you will see someone make a ridiculous call. Its the same dynamic, where you see someone open ship pocket aces for 100BB, and they still get called by K9, A5 etc., and therefore they continue to do it.