$10 NLHE 6-max: Bluff the river when 3-card flush hits?

[pokernomad]

I am a new player to $10NLHE and came up against an aggressive play in the BB. I would normally not consider bluffing in this spot in $5NLHE as I feel like players just call all the time, but I wanted know the forum's thoughts on this.

Additional information: BB has 3Bet 12%, based on 85 hands

My flop bet is a standard c-bet and I felt compelled to bet the river (which may be a mistake)
...
Should I have pushed all in on the river when an overcard to the board + 3 card flush hits?
Should I have checked the turn instead of betting the turn?

Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 101.6 BB
BTN: 101 BB
Hero (SB): 105.2 BB
BB: 172.3 BB
UTG: 75.3 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ K♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) T♦ 4♣ 5♣
Hero bets 9 BB, BB calls 9 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) 3♠
Hero bets 18 BB, BB calls 18 BB

River: (72 BB, 2 players) Q♣

Spoiler

Hero checks, BB checks

Hero shows J♥ K♥ (High Card, King)
(Pre 44%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
BB shows T♠ A♦ (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 56%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
BB wins 68.4 BB

 

[eetenor]

I am a new player to $10NLHE and came up against an aggressive play in the BB. I would normally not consider bluffing in this spot in $5NLHE as I feel like players just call all the time, but I wanted know the forum's thoughts on this.

Additional information: BB has 3Bet 12%, based on 85 hands

My flop bet is a standard c-bet and I felt compelled to bet the river (which may be a mistake)
...
Should I have pushed all in on the river when an overcard to the board + 3 card flush hits?
Should I have checked the turn instead of betting the turn?

Pacific Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 101.6 BB
BTN: 101 BB
Hero (SB): 105.2 BB
BB: 172.3 BB
UTG: 75.3 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ K♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) T♦ 4♣ 5♣
Hero bets 9 BB, BB calls 9 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) 3♠
Hero bets 18 BB, BB calls 18 BB

River: (72 BB, 2 players) Q♣

Spoiler

Hero checks, BB checks

Hero shows J♥ K♥ (High Card, King)
(Pre 44%, Flop 25%, Turn 14%)
BB shows T♠ A♦ (One Pair, Tens)
(Pre 56%, Flop 75%, Turn 86%)
BB wins 68.4 BB

Thank you for posting

I have not seen the results

First of all you called your flop lead a standard C-bet but you only called preflop. That means you are leading into the raiser often called a Donk Bet
That may mean you have a strategy thought process error that you need to fix


I think a good study point for you would be what range do you lead on this flop and why?
Then what range does our V have and how is our hand doing vs that range?
Then what hands make strong bluffs in this spot and which do not.

After range considerations is the why would we play this way question? Why are we building a pot OOP with a hand that misses the flop completely?

Ok so you wanted to outplay your Villain with over cards only. In order to outplay anyone-anyone with skill which $10 players may have we have to have a solid plan.

What was your plan? Why was leading part of that plan? What are you leading for value in that spot? How were you going to leverage that flop lead on turn and river?
What range were you targeting for folds with your turn bet? Why that sizing for that range?

If you respond to this by using quote reply I will know and will respond.

Hope this helps.

 

[Sidetracked]

A good place to start on this hand is asking why you donk led the flop. Since you only called the preflop 3 bet, your bet is not a c bet, but a donk lead.

 

[Noroma]

CO: 101.6 BB
BTN: 101 BB
Hero (SB): 105.2 BB
BB: 172.3 BB
UTG: 75.3 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♥ K♥

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9 BB, Hero calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) T♦ 4♣ 5♣
Hero bets 9 BB, BB calls 9 BB

Turn: (36 BB, 2 players) 3♠
Hero bets 18 BB, BB calls 18 BB

River: (72 BB, 2 players) Q♣

PF: Standard stuff
Flop: Don't know if i like this. You both have essentially the same ranges. I'd much rather you check your hearts and spades, and bet your clubs and diamonds here, and then check fold with this combo.

Turn: Now you're balls deep, with 0 equity. You are representing a flush draw, set or perhaps A10 or K10. Still don't like it. Very minus EV line.

River: Well, now you have to jam. Good thing here is you unblock clubs. He will find it difficult to call with second pairs, and you may even get jacks to fold. You also get all missed flushes to fold here, and you never win at showdown if you check.

 

[pokernomad]

thanks all for your reply - I am feeling a little silly regarding the dock bet and not thinking in ranges - these are things I am aware of not perhaps not implementing in my game properly

I think I need revisit some fundamentals

 

[Redman1902]

I would like to add something regarding preflop-play in situations like this.

Even if your opponent's 3-b stats are not yet reliable with so few hands. I would assign him a polarized range with some probability and therefore seriously consider putting KJs into your 4b bluffing-range.

 

[eetenor]

thanks all for your reply - I am feeling a little silly regarding the dock bet and not thinking in ranges - these are things I am aware of not perhaps not implementing in my game properly

I think I need revisit some fundamentals

Great job sharing and learning with us.

Recognizing that you need to work harder on the fundamentals is a good first step
I would recommend you drop back to 5NL in order to protect and grow your bankroll.


Hope this helps