$2 NLHE Full Ring: 2 pairs with nut flush draw. Easy fold to re-raise?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 36/16/2

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 8 players
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UTG: $3.16 (158 bb)
UTG+1: $2.18 (109 bb)
MP (Hero): $2.16 (108 bb)
MP+1: $0.89 (45 bb)
CO: $3.15 (158 bb)
BU: $2.09 (105 bb)
SB: $2.00 (100 bb)
BB: $1.93 (97 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with T A
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.05, 4 players fold, BB calls $0.03

Flop: ($0.11) T Q 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.08, BB calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.27) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $1.80 (all-in),

Hero calls $1.60

River: ($3.87) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $3.87 (Rake: $0.19)

Showdown:
BB shows K J (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 73%, River: 100%)

MP (Hero) shows T A (two pair, Aces and Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 27%, River: 0%)

BB wins $3.68
 
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P: open to 3x, 2.5x ok.

F: check-back, flop is so coordinated and hits flatting ranges nicely, and you have showdown value and nut flush draw.

T: as played, Ace is good and bad. Bad because it's a 3rd broadway and AQ beats us now.

I guess bet again and sizing should be big, maybe potting it.

When passive BB check/jams the turn like this it's often the nuts or nutted-type hands.

His sizing (jam) is weird: normal sizing is a check/raise to 3x. His sizing is very rarely a bluff: his stats aren't wild enough.

He could be value-owning himself with A3 or combo draw, but we're playing guessing games.

I tank-fold, using up all my timebank.
 
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I think the opponent put all in because of your aggression. You place bets on all the streets. A small bet on the preflop, but on the flop and turn about 75% of the pot. This means that it will be difficult for you to stop and fold. If the villain on the turn makes a check-raise, you will still call, won't you? But there is a possibility that a full house will close on the river or a clubs will appear. In this case, it will be incredibly difficult for the opponent to make a decision. Therefore, he chooses the easiest way to push all in. He is sure that you will call because of the aggression on the previous streets.
To understand whether it's a bluff or not, you need to pay attention to the ratio of the size of the pot to the size of the villain's stack. The pot is four times smaller than its stack. Pay attention to the following important thing. The villain invested only 6.5 BB in this pot along with the blind. Why would he risk the remaining 90BB ? There's no point in bluffing here.:nurse:
 
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Even if you're up against exactly KJx, AA, QQ, TT you're still drawing to a flush (and a boat vs KJ) with an equity of 27%.

You'll need 44% for a profitable call though so let's see what that looks like with a linear range. If we include 33, and A3s, and QTx, AcTc has 44% equity. Is it likely this player overbet shoves that range? I don't know you tell me.

Against a competent player balancing KJ with some bluffs I guess most bluffs are KcXc for the king blocker and the flush draw. With AcTc we dominate that flush draw, and unblock the Kc. Pretty much bluff catching with some equity behind if we're up against the nuts. Calling becomes profitable if we can realistically assign 6 bluffs if they're only shoving KJ and bluffs. Can we expect villain to play this range? I don't know you tell me.

In any case, AcTc might be the best "bluff catcher" you're ever going to have in this situation and I'm never folding against anyone decently competent. Loose passive recreational players or tight passive recreational players are a little bit of a different story so if you know they're only pushing sets+ you can make an exploitative fold.
 
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Thanks for the comments guys
It really was not played too well, as I got too much onterested in my hand and didnt thought as much as I should on the villains
P: open to 3x, 2.5x ok.

F: check-back, flop is so coordinated and hits flatting ranges nicely, and you have showdown value and nut flush draw.

T: as played, Ace is good and bad. Bad because it's a 3rd broadway and AQ beats us now.

I guess bet again and sizing should be big, maybe potting it.

When passive BB check/jams the turn like this it's often the nuts or nutted-type hands.

His sizing (jam) is weird: normal sizing is a check/raise to 3x. His sizing is very rarely a bluff: his stats aren't wild enough.

He could be value-owning himself with A3 or combo draw, but we're playing guessing games.

I tank-fold, using up all my timebank.

You are completely right. I would have done better controlling the pot... but as stupid as it might look, Ive missed the straight draw... :(

I think the opponent put all in because of your aggression. You place bets on all the streets. A small bet on the preflop, but on the flop and turn about 75% of the pot. This means that it will be difficult for you to stop and fold. If the villain on the turn makes a check-raise, you will still call, won't you? But there is a possibility that a full house will close on the river or a clubs will appear. In this case, it will be incredibly difficult for the opponent to make a decision. Therefore, he chooses the easiest way to push all in. He is sure that you will call because of the aggression on the previous streets.
To understand whether it's a bluff or not, you need to pay attention to the ratio of the size of the pot to the size of the villain's stack. The pot is four times smaller than its stack. Pay attention to the following important thing. The villain invested only 6.5 BB in this pot along with the blind. Why would he risk the remaining 90BB ? There's no point in bluffing here.:nurse:

Hum... about the pre flop action I raised 2.5 BB, I usually alternate a bit between 2.5/3BB. Not sure I should bet higher in that situation The flop and turn I thought I was value betting, ant to be honest at the moment I didnt see tha straight draw, though was against trips. But had the flush and full draws, and maybe the hope that the villain was overbetting...
You have some great insights about bet/pot/bluff margins. Ive been seeing so much bad play lately in these lowest limits, that instead of improving my game Im getting worst. I guess that is what is called tilt!

Even if you're up against exactly KJx, AA, QQ, TT you're still drawing to a flush (and a boat vs KJ) with an equity of 27%.

You'll need 44% for a profitable call though so let's see what that looks like with a linear range. If we include 33, and A3s, and QTx, AcTc has 44% equity. Is it likely this player overbet shoves that range? I don't know you tell me.

Against a competent player balancing KJ with some bluffs I guess most bluffs are KcXc for the king blocker and the flush draw. With AcTc we dominate that flush draw, and unblock the Kc. Pretty much bluff catching with some equity behind if we're up against the nuts. Calling becomes profitable if we can realistically assign 6 bluffs if they're only shoving KJ and bluffs. Can we expect villain to play this range? I don't know you tell me.

In any case, AcTc might be the best "bluff catcher" you're ever going to have in this situation and I'm never folding against anyone decently competent. Loose passive recreational players or tight passive recreational players are a little bit of a different story so if you know they're only pushing sets+ you can make an exploitative fold.

Thats the point. Ive seem many players that would be tha LAG and bluff happy. But Im not being able to differentiate them to the better players.
Anyway, not only as the result showed, but odds and ranges too, it was badly played. Thanks! Gotta learn, and dont forget the lessons.
 
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Thanks for the comments guys
It really was not played too well, as I got too much onterested in my hand and didnt thought as much as I should on the villains

Hum... about the pre flop action I raised 2.5 BB, I usually alternate a bit between 2.5/3BB. Not sure I should bet higher in that situation The flop and turn I thought I was value betting, ant to be honest at the moment I didnt see tha straight draw, though was against trips. But had the flush and full draws, and maybe the hope that the villain was overbetting...
You have some great insights about bet/pot/bluff margins. Ive been seeing so much bad play lately in these lowest limits, that instead of improving my game Im getting worst. I guess that is what is called tilt!
The optimal solution of the opponent on the turn could be a check-raise. But in this case, any clubs on the river gave you a great opportunity to bluff even if you didn't have clubs. The size of the pot would become equal to the opponent's stack. Therefore, he would have to make a difficult decision and still call 50% of the time to indicate you to bluff.
To be honest, I wouldn't blame the opponent for this push. Maybe he's been getting too many bad beats on the river lately. The villain had nuts and gave you the opportunity to see a free river card, but you started the action yourself. When we make a value bet and get a huge raise, it's a signal that maybe we already behind.
You have a good draw. But in the book Applications of No-Limit Hold'em, authored by Matthew Janda, it says the following: "Even if your hand has more equity than the other, it does not make your hand better and more profitable."
 
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