$2 NLHE Full Ring: What should I have done?

[Jefsticle]

https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/324OHThR8

Villan is real loose pre and very passive post. I feel this was horribly played by me though. I really don't deal well against donk bets.

 

[fundiver199]

Yeah this is pretty horrible to be honest with you. The guy only started with 35BB, and the SPR on the flop was less than 1. So this is a very easy spot to just get the money in on the flop, and then come what may. As played I am still calling his river jam. You are getting 3:1, and you have shown nothing but weakness, so he might show up here with A9 or KJ and think, he is betting for value. You are giving a bad player WAY to much credit for always having a huge hand, when you fold AA on this board to basically just a single bet.

 

[Jefsticle]

Yeah this is pretty horrible to be honest with you. The guy only started with 35BB, and the SPR on the flop was less than 1. So this is a very easy spot to just get the money in on the flop, and then come what may. As played I am still calling his river jam. You are getting 3:1, and you have shown nothing but weakness, so he might show up here with A9 or KJ and think, he is betting for value. You are giving a bad player WAY to much credit for always having a huge hand, when you fold AA on this board to basically just a single bet.

Thanks. SPR is such an obvious thing. Missing it here is depressing. Still I will re-
add it to the study list and try again.

 

[Badday94]

There would have been a very easy solution for this. After the flop he raises 4¢ with queens on the board. All you had to do is raise it to 10¢. If he calls or jams, he has the queens. If he folds, that is that. You lost 10¢ after the flop by just calling and giving him the opportunity to bluff you. With just the same amount, the problem would have been solved.

 

[300HPGOD]

On the flop I am tempted to just get the villain all in here but the problem with that move is that you make all his bluffs or little equity non Qx hands fold and get called by all that beats you. Calling only that small bet though lets him draw against you for very little (Maybe a bad player that calls pre with J10 but that is a ?). I think my mindset on this hand would be that since there are no great options you can go either way of getting it in now or just saying Im not folding here and just calling them down with making sure it gets all in on the river.

The villain does play this hand in a way that they could with Qx but couldnt they also just have check raised on the flop or just check called and then got the little left in on the river if they had to? For that reason I am no convinced they have a Queen all the time here and would definitely not fold here at any point considering the amount of the effective stack. Your only real question here is call down and get in on river or get it in on the flop. Im indifferent to be honest with you but I lean towards just raise them on the flop after their small bet and get it in. If they have the the Q then it blows but if we arent folding and shouldnt be folding then get it in here. If they do fold then you at least got value from your pre flop action.

 

[gustav197poker]

The objective of this hand is that we can isolate ourselves with the limper, MP. It's not unreasonable to think that this villain has a wide range preflop. But if we assume that MP theoretically has the strongest range in this sequence (as a consequence of the folds by UTG and UTG+1) we should be happy, because here we have the best possible hand in our range. It's all a matter of choosing a 3-bet size that commits the effective stack. But before that, we can see the raise applied by MP+1. With that size, the villain MP+1 who has almost 200 bb of stack, wants us to believe that he is not very interested in commit to the boat. But this is irrelevant to us anyway, because we have the nuts preflop.
So we can go 3-bet to $ 0.30 and when MP call, has about 2/3 pot left, when MP+1 fold and if it's 3MWP his SPR is approximately 1/3. From there, we can go into call station mode, or directly all in on the flop.
Greetings.

 

[Mahdi]

There would have been a very easy solution for this. After the flop he raises 4¢ with queens on the board. All you had to do is raise it to 10¢. If he calls or jams, he has the queens. If he folds, that is that. You lost 10¢ after the flop by just calling and giving him the opportunity to bluff you. With just the same amount, the problem would have been solved.

IMHO this is bad idea, by raising you get rid out of opponents who are bluffing on such boards, and there is a lot of them. If he had a Q there he would let you bet into him knowing that he has less than pot-size bet, so there it no reason to put money here first.
So it was terrible fold on the river, noone does that with Q, that's why you had to jam on the flop or turn, probably would be called by worse hand.

 

[Badday94]

IMHO this is bad idea, by raising you get rid out of opponents who are bluffing on such boards, and there is a lot of them. If he had a Q there he would let you bet into him knowing that he has less than pot-size bet, so there it no reason to put money here first.
So it was terrible fold on the river, noone does that with Q, that's why you had to jam on the flop or turn, probably would be called by worse hand.

I don't agree with anything you said. That is exactly what you could do with queens if you bet for value. You bet small, 4¢ on flop, 6¢ on turn and since you were called to these, you jam on river. You don't bet big after flop with queens in hand, you could just check but when you go against such a big raise preflop, betting for value I think is best.

You guys are acting like it's impossible for him to have the queens when he already called to a 22¢ bet preflop. So the hero lost 10¢ post flop by just calling his bets, but with same amount he could have found out if he had queens or not. This is what I think, but I might be wrong, what do I know.

 

[Mahdi]

I don't agree with anything you said. That is exactly what you could do with queens if you bet for value. You bet small, 4¢ on flop, 6¢ on turn and since you were called to these, you jam on river. You don't bet big after flop with queens in hand, you could just check but when you go against such a big raise preflop, betting for value I think is best.

You guys are acting like it's impossible for him to have the queens when he already called to a 22¢ bet preflop. So the hero lost 10¢ post flop by just calling his bets, but with same amount he could have found out if he had queens or not. This is what I think, but I might be wrong, what do I know.

You like literally read 0 words from what I wrote, gl mate

 

[Badday94]

You like literally read 0 words from what I wrote, gl mate

I think you missunderstood what I said. Our guy was out of position, got raised 4¢ after flop, what I said is raise it to 10¢ and if the opponent doesn't have the queens, he folds. What you said I think is that he should have gone all in after the flop, after he got raised 4¢ because the fact the dude raised made you certain he didn't have the queens. That is very likely, but some people choose to bet for value there hoping you already have a pair in hand after you raised so much preflop.

Nevermind this, but don't you agree that my 10¢ raise or your jam would get the same result if the guy didn't have queens, only that in my strategy you don't risk jamming and losing, you risk only those 10¢. I don't know, I get your thoughts, I might be wrong but for me just a re-raise seems more efficient.

 

[fundiver199]

On the flop I am tempted to just get the villain all in here but the problem with that move is that you make all his bluffs or little equity non Qx hands fold and get called by all that beats you.

I think, you underestimate, how wide a player like this is going to call off. He limped preflop and then cold called a 3-bet out of position for a third of his stack. This literally scream fish, and he also only started with around a third of a stack. So I think, a jam on the flop gets action from any pocket pair, any 9X, any gutshot draw and maybe even A high. Players like this are always looking for a reason to call. Maybe they can still hit something, or they simply convince themselfes, you are a bully and bluffing them.

Calling only that small bet though lets him draw against you for very little (Maybe a bad player that calls pre with J10 but that is a ?).

This is exactly the issue. Sometimes these tiny little block bets are made with a very strong hand in the hope to induce a raise. But more often its a weak hand looking to see the next card for cheap. This is, where the term block bet comes from. Its intended to freeze the action and prevent the in position player from making a larger bet.

And while it could be ok to slowplay AA here and use the hand as a bluff catcher, I would definitely not continue that line past the turn, because now any TX has an OSED. It just feels absolutely terrible to let the opponent get there for nothing, and then pay him off on the river. So if we dont jam the flop, we at least have to jam the turn. Now he might also have paired up with a J, and in that case he is never going to fold.

For that reason I am no convinced they have a Queen all the time here and would definitely not fold here at any point considering the amount of the effective stack.

I agree. I think, Hero got blinded by fact, there were two queens on the board and thinking about, that his opponent COULD have hit that. And then Hero failed to think about all the other hands, the opponent could also have and play like this. Missed draws choosing to bluff the river, JX jamming for value and so on and so forth.