$10 NLHE 6-max: TT and a doubt

[Demonphi]

Hi guys!
Today I faced a very strange spot that left me in doubt as to how to act. A fish on the table made a 7x open raise followed by a flat. I was small and thought about 3betting, but that would be almost half of my stack, which could make me commited. The call seems bad to me. What would you do?


PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 5 players Hand delivered by CardsChat UTG: $8.32 (83 bb) CO: $10.00 (100 bb) BU: $14.40 (144 bb) SB (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb) BB: $9.95 (100 bb) Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T♥ T♣ UTG raises to $0.70, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.70, Hero 3-bets to $10 (all-in), 1 fold, UTG calls $7.62 (all-in), 1 fold Flop: ($17.44) J♥ 2♦ A♥ (2 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($17.44) J♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) River: ($17.44) 8♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) Total pot: $17.44 (Rake: $0.78) Showdown: SB (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (two pair, Jacks and Tens) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%) UTG shows 9♣ 9♠ (two pair, Jacks and Nines) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%) SB (Hero) wins $16.66

 

[zuker]

You was not small. You had full stack. So 3bet about $3 is ok, if you think you ahead their ranges. I think your push will be called only better hands.

 

[LevySystem]

Hi guys!
Today I faced a very strange spot that left me in doubt as to how to act. A fish on the table made a 7x open raise followed by a flat. I was small and thought about 3betting, but that would be almost half of my stack, which could make me commited. The call seems bad to me. What would you do?


PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 5 players Hand delivered by CardsChat UTG: $8.32 (83 bb) CO: $10.00 (100 bb) BU: $14.40 (144 bb) SB (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb) BB: $9.95 (100 bb) Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T♥ T♣ UTG raises to $0.70, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.70, Hero 3-bets to $10 (all-in), 1 fold, UTG calls $7.62 (all-in), 1 fold Flop: ($17.44) J♥ 2♦ A♥ (2 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($17.44) J♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) River: ($17.44) 8♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) Total pot: $17.44 (Rake: $0.78) Showdown: SB (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (two pair, Jacks and Tens) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%) UTG shows 9♣ 9♠ (two pair, Jacks and Nines) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%) SB (Hero) wins $16.66

I love your thoughtprocess here. But I think TT might be a bit on the thinner side. Maybe you want to jam something like Ako+/JJ+ in this spot. Other than that well played!

 

[thatguy6793]

I think the jam here is a bit premature. You said it yourself, the guy was a fish so you are probably going to be able to out play him post flop with pocket pairs. 3betting to about $3 would have been a fine play here as well. Just be careful shoving with hands like TT with such a large stack (for the record 100BB is not short stacked, if you think it is that's going to really alter how you play so it might be worth it to go back to some pretty basic stuff about what short vs big stacked means and how to play both).

 

[loafaBREAD]

Hey friendo,

Others have made the point that the shove is not a good look. I don't really understand the fish mentality on differing raising sizes, but it could mean different things. Generally it's going to be a good hand.

V has 80bb, so he's medium stacked. Shoving is an option if he has 40 bb or less.

I would also put thought into the BTNs range/play style. It's him you are squeezing out to iso the fish, ya?

A call is not unreasonable here. Squeeze is good, but I don't think you have to go as large as $3. Bc of the large raise, you can do 3x (2.10) and still achieve the same result.

 

[Sidetracked]

7x can mean a lot of things, but it will usually mean a bad player who doesn't know what to do with a medium strength holding.

If you can be almost sure to fold out the player who flatted the raise, I don't mind your shove. Clearly, your read was good, and you got your money in with the best hand.

 

[1player2]

Hi guys!
Today I faced a very strange spot that left me in doubt as to how to act. A fish on the table made a 7x open raise followed by a flat. I was small and thought about 3betting, but that would be almost half of my stack, which could make me commited. The call seems bad to me. What would you do?


PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 5 players Hand delivered by CardsChat UTG: $8.32 (83 bb) CO: $10.00 (100 bb) BU: $14.40 (144 bb) SB (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb) BB: $9.95 (100 bb) Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T♥ T♣ UTG raises to $0.70, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.70, Hero 3-bets to $10 (all-in), 1 fold, UTG calls $7.62 (all-in), 1 fold Flop: ($17.44) J♥ 2♦ A♥ (2 players, 2 all-in) Turn: ($17.44) J♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) River: ($17.44) 8♠ (2 players, 2 all-in) Total pot: $17.44 (Rake: $0.78) Showdown: SB (Hero) shows T♥ T♣ (two pair, Jacks and Tens) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 82%, Flop: 92%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%) UTG shows 9♣ 9♠ (two pair, Jacks and Nines) (Equity - Pre-Flop: 18%, Flop: 8%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%) SB (Hero) wins $16.66

Hello,


Unless this player was playing like a complete donk I'd say this is incorrectly played. Flat or 3-bet. Most of the time you are only getting called by better. Most opponents fold here with worse so you would make $1.40. when you get called you lose $10 most of the time. I'd be happy with this result but I would not make a habit of it.

 

[fundiver199]

With the right reads I like your play, even though the risk/reward was not great, when he started with 80BB. If we look at our different options, then I will rule out a small 3-bet first. He is a fish, so he is almost certainly not going to fold, if you make it like 20-25BB, and then BTN will call as well. So you would just be creating a bloated 3-way pot OOP and pretty much hate life, unless you flop a set.

Calling is at least a little bit better, but it would still be really tough to realise the showdown value of a pair of Ts. On this board for instance someone would almost certainly have bet you out of the pot. And then there is no real difference between having TT or 33.

So other than jamming my prefered option here would probably be to just fold. A lot of people get caught up in thinking, that certain hands are "to good to fold". But if you are out of position with a lot of action in front of you, and you cant see any clear way to make money, then just fold. This time you jammed and got the perfect result, so good read

 

[cs_rlewis]

I agree with fundiver.
Flatting would be my least favourite option. Calling a 7bb raise OOP with TT is terrible, it's going to be hard to realise equity to showdown, as there is a strong chance of overcards where you will forced to fold or play an uncomfortable guessing game.

Remember if your not getting the correct odds to call you should 3bet or fold.

Shoving all in for 80bb is not a bad option as that should get the pot heads up, but realise there will be huge variance - I don't expect the fish to show up here with AA-KK too often, but more likely middling pocket pairs like 88-QQ, AK-AJs - all of which are a coin flip essentially.
Well played.