It's Official - Republican Platform anti Poker

[fletchdad]

No my solution is to vote third party.

And of course Poker is not the only thing I'm concerned about. I'm concerned that we have a two party system completely run by corporations and that they agree on 98% of issues.

OK, I also agree that a multiple party system is best. If the third party had a chance, then fine. The problem is - at least in the past in the US - that the third party vote usually means a better result for the party farthest from the third party platform. On the other hand, change has to start somewhere, so you do have a valid point. It sounded in your post that opting out was you suggestion, which is the worst thing anyone can do. I absentee vote, and altho it is almost certainly not counted, I feel it must be done, since it is one of the few powers I have.

The political atmosphere in the US has gotten so bad, and it is no longer really a choice of better and worse, but of worse and even more worse.

 

[hackmeplz]

OK, I also agree that a multiple party system is best. If the third party had a chance, then fine. The problem is - at least in the past in the US - that the third party vote usually means a better result for the party farthest from the third party platform. On the other hand, change has to start somewhere, so you do have a valid point. It sounded in your post that opting out was you suggestion, which is the worst thing anyone can do. I absentee vote, and altho it is almost certainly not counted, I feel it must be done, since it is one of the few powers I have.

The political atmosphere in the US has gotten so bad, and it is no longer really a choice of better and worse, but of worse and even more worse.

This logic is really dumb. The logic is basically "I know my individual vote doesn't matter, but if a bunch of people vote my way we might win".

Meanwhile you're dismissing the logic of "I know my individual vote doesn't matter, but if a bunch of people vote 3rd party we might gain some traction/have a chance at winning in the future". I'd actually argue a 3rd party vote matters more simply because if a major candidate gets 269 electoral votes (pretty sure you need 270 right?) it doesn't matter but if a 3rd party even wins a state they're going to get a ton of recognition and this will increase voter turnout in the future for that party.

 

[belladonna05]

Partly because the parties have moved to their respective extremes so either choice is unpalatable on some level to a lot of people. The parties are so far apart that if you identify with one or the other, no amount of discussion is going to change your mind.

Gary Johnson, who ran for the Republican nomination, is now the Libertarian Party's candidate. He and Huntsman were really the most reasonable candidates which is why they got nowhere.

How you can think that the Dems are to the extreme left is confusing to me, can you tell me what you mean? I'm in Indiana and we have blue dog dems. If dems were so far to the left, we would have saw universal healthcare with a government option or only a government option, something the repubs could actually decry as socialist engineering. Don't even get me started on how they aren't pushing back enough on the war on women.

I am neither democrat or republican and have voted both ways. As far as the discussion goes it is easy for me - I simply don't enjoy political debates with most people and limit those discussions to those whom I can enjoy or tolerate them with. I never enjoy open debates about politics in a forum type environment which is why I will rarely engage in them.

I might continue to read this thread but me participating in the discussion/debate will not be how I choose to spend my time.

Yes I've always voted for both, or neither via the 3rd party. Our country really needs more options. However in the political climate today I couldn't vote for a republican if you held a gun to my head, they have been taken over by the right wing crazies. Romney/Ryan tells so many lies and the "free press" plays like they have to be nice and not point them all out. When I was a young thing, the press thrived on pointing out the lies from both parties, now they just sugar coat everything.

 

[fletchdad]

This logic is really dumb. The logic is basically "I know my individual vote doesn't matter, but if a bunch of people vote my way we might win".

Meanwhile you're dismissing the logic of "I know my individual vote doesn't matter, but if a bunch of people vote 3rd party we might gain some traction/have a chance at winning in the future". I'd actually argue a 3rd party vote matters more simply because if a major candidate gets 269 electoral votes (pretty sure you need 270 right?) it doesn't matter but if a 3rd party even wins a state they're going to get a ton of recognition and this will increase voter turnout in the future for that party.

If you would have bothered to read my post - and maybe think about what I said - you might have gotten the point.

But you maybe just like being insulting, who knows.

 

[LuckyChippy]

Yeah you basically understood the opposite of what fletchdad said.

 

[trucker103]

well 8 years of the republicans takes 12yrs of democrats to str8ten things out
so it will never be right
and if any woman out there votes for romney u get what u deserve
he screwed massachesetts so bad i almost moved !

 

[dj11]

Simple logic equation for some.

IF you believe both parties suck, AND you want online poker loosened up, THEN vote for the party that does NOT make the issue a platform item.

 

[Charade You Are]

How you can think that the Dems are to the extreme left is confusing to me, can you tell me what you mean?

I used the word extreme, not left. I don't think our Democratic party is as socialistic as the GOP would have us believe although they do lean in the direction of thinking people need the government to do everything for them.

Dems persist in pretending that everyone is good and that given enough help, money, chances, etc they will do the right thing; that we should not insist on English as our language, that it's ok to ignore immigration laws and states that are suffering from having to support illegal immigrants have no right to stop the bleeding; that if we just tax the rich enough, all our fiscal problems will be solved; that there is no such thing as a government too big; that voters shouldn't have to show id's because that will somehow disenfranchise the poor. Really? You can't get SS, welfare, fly, get a job, open a bank account without an id. They also think that political correctness dictates that we shouldn't "profile". If a purple, 3 eyed man robs me, I don't want the police stopping orange, two eyed women. I don't want abortion on demand or abortion used as birth control, but I also don't think it should be a political litmus test; and we spend more on health care and education than any other country, yet do not provide the best of either.

Common sense seems to be completely lacking by the two major parties as does compromise.

As far as the Blue Dog Dems:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...-for-blue-dog-democrats-moderates-in-congress

Blue Dog Democratic Co-Chairman for Communications Rep. Mike Ross (D-Ark.) has seen his coalition of ideological centrists shrink from 54 members in 2010 to just 25 today. That loss is a contributing factor in why, after 12 years in office, he will not be running for reelection come November.

I'm not clear as to what the difference between them and the GOP is though.

Yes I've always voted for both, or neither via the 3rd party. Our country really needs more options. However in the political climate today I couldn't vote for a republican if you held a gun to my head, they have been taken over by the right wing crazies......When I was a young thing, the press thrived on pointing out the lies from both parties, now they just sugar coat everything.

Couldn't agree more.

 

[fletchdad]

Poker is not on the forefront of any party, but, when you think about it, America is doing what a lot of poker players do, and they have been increasing in the number of people who do it since the mid 80's.

They are polarizing. No more merged ranges in the US.

 

[hackmeplz]

The Libertarian Party would clearly be the best semi-major party for poker.

 

[Bluff4Life]

I'm sorry, but things, what Republicans stand for are looking a bit funny from Europe's perspective.

 

[plainluck]

I don't have time right now will do so later if I find time. Some things off the top of my head are complete bans on abortion, same sex marriage and online gambling. He is not just opposed - he is radical about all 3.

But there are loads of other things too - he is a dictator he wants to control everything we do. Oh - except owning guns - he doesn't mind if we have an arsenal in our basement as long as we don't kiss a member of the same sex or play poker.

I don't usually argue or even discuss religion or politics but you are so off base it's sad. At least Romney is not wishy-washy. He sticks to his guns. (No pun intended) Unlike Obama who changes his mind about amnesty for illegal aliens to get Mexican votes, same sex marriage to get gay votes, abortion to get womens' votes. That's a lot of "bought votes". Romney has never bowed down to a foreign head of state or apologized for America. His wife has never said, "For the first time in my life I am proud of America". And the list goes on and on. Speaking of guns, as soon as all legal, responsible Americans have had their guns taken away, guess who will be in charge (and I'm not just referring to the militia.) The crooks will always be able to get guns. Also, there's an article in the Wall Street Journal by Alan Caruba about Obama that you might find interesting. Don't know the date of the article. Ok. I'm done. (For the moment).

 

[doomasiggy]

I don't usually argue or even discuss religion or politics but you are so off base it's sad. At least Romney is not wishy-washy. He sticks to his guns.

Really?

 

[duggs]

lol at the idea of apologising for your countries mistake when you are head of state being a bad thing,

 

[fletchdad]

I don't usually argue or even discuss religion or politics but you are so off base it's sad. At least Romney is not wishy-washy. He sticks to his guns. (No pun intended) Unlike Obama who changes his mind about amnesty for illegal aliens to get Mexican votes, same sex marriage to get gay votes, abortion to get womens' votes. That's a lot of "bought votes". Romney has never bowed down to a foreign head of state or apologized for America. His wife has never said, "For the first time in my life I am proud of America". And the list goes on and on. Speaking of guns, as soon as all legal, responsible Americans have had their guns taken away, guess who will be in charge (and I'm not just referring to the militia.) The crooks will always be able to get guns. Also, there's an article in the Wall Street Journal by Alan Caruba about Obama that you might find interesting. Don't know the date of the article. Ok. I'm done. (For the moment).

Get so much wrong in so few sentences.....

 

[dan abnormal]

Hell if there was BIG PHARMA POKER or BILLIONAIRE TAX BREAK POKER, then we have the biggest online poker market in the world.

 

[Debi]

I don't usually argue or even discuss religion or politics but you are so off base it's sad. At least Romney is not wishy-washy. He sticks to his guns. (No pun intended) Unlike Obama who changes his mind about amnesty for illegal aliens to get Mexican votes, same sex marriage to get gay votes, abortion to get womens' votes. That's a lot of "bought votes". Romney has never bowed down to a foreign head of state or apologized for America. His wife has never said, "For the first time in my life I am proud of America". And the list goes on and on. Speaking of guns, as soon as all legal, responsible Americans have had their guns taken away, guess who will be in charge (and I'm not just referring to the militia.) The crooks will always be able to get guns. Also, there's an article in the Wall Street Journal by Alan Caruba about Obama that you might find interesting. Don't know the date of the article. Ok. I'm done. (For the moment).

Me either ...but dang that was a horrible rebuttal lol. Romney isn't wishy-washy???? He is the King of Wishy-Washy. Amazes me how so many of his supporters pay zero attention to anything he says and does - they only care that he is republican and wants everyone to have the right to possess arsenals of guns. So shallow. That is what is so sad.

And don't waste your time throwing Obama stuff up to me - I don't like him either.

Really?

Get so much wrong in so few sentences.....

So much so that I crawled back out of my "not gonna debate" hole. I am now returning to it and leaving the debating to the experts.

 

[Debi]

How can anyone sane vote for Mitt Romney ???? LOL

Same people who voted for Bush and still don't realize he was one of the worst presidents ever.

 

[jazzaxe]

I am a member of the Libertarian Party. It is the only American political party that endorses unrestricted untaxed online gambling. Don't look for solutions from the Republicrats for the situation American online poker is now in. And remember the only one who wins this November is Goldman Sachs.

 

[Sheyetterly]

Please everyone let's all vote for Obama as otherwise there is NO chance in online poker EVER being legalized in the US!

 

[doomasiggy]

Please everyone let's all vote for Obama as otherwise there is NO chance in online poker EVER being legalized in the US!

don't think you really know Obama mate.

 

[fletchdad]

As much as I want to the US players back on the tables, it is way low on my list of things that are important when looking to chose who to vote for. It is on the list, but many things are higher, like health care, education, taxation and on and on. Guns are another topic which it seems no party at all gets. The right to bear arms is supported across the board.

A multi party system would be so beneficial to the US, but I dont see it happening. So I am left with a choice of voting for a third party, which essentially gives the Republicans a vote, since most 3rd party supporters come from the Democratic camp, or voting Dem as I always do.

I find both choices rather distasteful.

Still, vote we must. I hope the turn out is good. Apathy - regardless of if it is understandable or not - keeps too many people out of the booths on election day.

 

[danprince10]

How anyone can support either one is beyond me unless it's a case of the lesser of two evils.

On the credit card thing, I had to sign for my son to get his first card and it had a very small limit; so even if he had maxed it out, it wasn't life changing.

Its so sad so true this. Obama is the ace high to romneys nut low. Romneys just so f***ing bad, and Obama is just slightly better. If Romney gets elected this country is in serious serious trouble pretty sure he has no shot though. Not voting for either of these puppets here.

 

[danprince10]

Same people who voted for Bush and still don't realize he was one of the worst presidents ever.

I posted this on facebook a few days ago but Literally the only way I could see us having a worse pres than Romney is if Bush somehow got reelected.

 

[duggs]

Its so sad so true this. Obama is the ace high to romneys nut low. Romneys just so f***ing bad, and Obama is just slightly better. If Romney gets elected this country is in serious serious trouble pretty sure he has no shot though. Not voting for either of these puppets here.

you would think reading your post that you would vote for Obama.