Las Vegas shooting:64 year old Gunman Stephen Paddock kills over 50 people
PokerPete
RIP Logic, Sanity, and Democracy
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:hmmmm:
ooh ooh ooh,
maybe he should apply for funding from Putin!Kid! It would be perfect for you!
MattRyder
🍏 Tech That Works!
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The mass shooting in Vegas was unthinkably tragic and vicious. Many innocent people lost their lives or were wounded because of this insanity. My thoughts and prayers go out to them and their relatives and close friends. There were also many heroes that day, and I offer each any every one of them my profound respect and gratitude for risking their lives to help others.
I wonder though what it will take to stop these recurring and worsening events from happening. This man was not known to be psychologically unbalanced that we know of, at least not in a clinically diagnosed way. Time will tell if his spouse, friends and neighbours knew better. He had no known terrorist leanings or affiliations. He seems to be what they call a lone wolf. Clearly something made him crack.
There are lots and lots of people in the world who contain their grievances in private. Many suffer but resist expressing their anger, controlling their urges to thrash out and do something horrible. Many have supportive family and friends that can and do help them. But some, for whatever reason, choose to accumulate a private arsenal to effect revenge on the society that they feel has alienated them.
Sound familiar? Doesn't this sort of misguided revenge seeking violence happen every day on a smaller scale in the inner cities across America?
If we can't systematically identify these people in advance, and report them to authorities who will be able to take appropriate, swift and decisive action to prevent a tragedy, then what can we do?
It would be great if the causes could be identified and eliminated. If that can't happen, what can be done?
It's pretty obvious to anyone that wishes to see. Get rid of the guns. Without guns people looking to hurt others will have to get close and personal. Far fewer people will have the courage to attack on a one-to-one basis. Those that do will be able to do far less damage.
The gun culture in the United States makes no sense. These toys for men are being used to wreak horrible damage on society on a daily basis. The original premise, to have an equipped and ready 'militia' to protect the people no longer holds validity. There are organized, trained and equipped police forces at every corner of America whose mandate is to protect the people.
Many of the 'militia' groups are now considered to be white supremacist or terrorist groups themselves, not protectors of civilization, but enemies of civilization. The 2nd amendment currently exists to protect them, not the law-abiding, peaceful people.
Get rid of the guns, and gun violence goes down, a LOT!
I wonder though what it will take to stop these recurring and worsening events from happening. This man was not known to be psychologically unbalanced that we know of, at least not in a clinically diagnosed way. Time will tell if his spouse, friends and neighbours knew better. He had no known terrorist leanings or affiliations. He seems to be what they call a lone wolf. Clearly something made him crack.
There are lots and lots of people in the world who contain their grievances in private. Many suffer but resist expressing their anger, controlling their urges to thrash out and do something horrible. Many have supportive family and friends that can and do help them. But some, for whatever reason, choose to accumulate a private arsenal to effect revenge on the society that they feel has alienated them.
Sound familiar? Doesn't this sort of misguided revenge seeking violence happen every day on a smaller scale in the inner cities across America?
If we can't systematically identify these people in advance, and report them to authorities who will be able to take appropriate, swift and decisive action to prevent a tragedy, then what can we do?
It would be great if the causes could be identified and eliminated. If that can't happen, what can be done?
It's pretty obvious to anyone that wishes to see. Get rid of the guns. Without guns people looking to hurt others will have to get close and personal. Far fewer people will have the courage to attack on a one-to-one basis. Those that do will be able to do far less damage.
The gun culture in the United States makes no sense. These toys for men are being used to wreak horrible damage on society on a daily basis. The original premise, to have an equipped and ready 'militia' to protect the people no longer holds validity. There are organized, trained and equipped police forces at every corner of America whose mandate is to protect the people.
Many of the 'militia' groups are now considered to be white supremacist or terrorist groups themselves, not protectors of civilization, but enemies of civilization. The 2nd amendment currently exists to protect them, not the law-abiding, peaceful people.
Get rid of the guns, and gun violence goes down, a LOT!
Banjois
Visionary
Bronze Level
For real, the only place you need to worry a lot about travelling abroad to is to your neighbor. Most of the rest of the world is still perfectly safe.
Banjois
Visionary
Bronze Level
I'm honestly amazed that huge massacres like this don't happen on a bi-weekly basis in the US. Think of all the people there are who've given up hope, harbor a massive grudge towards society, and have easy access to a full arsenal...
belladonna05
belladonkin'
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Actually they occur all the time, just the large number casualties are the only ones that usually make headline news. Here is a very good page for tracking the unneeded daily blood shed in the United States. http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours
MattRyder
🍏 Tech That Works!
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The maps on that website are pretty telling.
Whatever the reason (drugs, depression, anger, poverty, crime, terrorism) the end result is that the guns are easy to come by, and easy to use. Take away the guns and people find other less deadly ways to deal with their problems.
rifflemao
Pugs Not Drugs
Silver Level
I don't understand how he could go from checking in with his brother on how his 90 year old mom is doing, to becoming a mass murderer, and breaking so many hearts including hers and his girlfriend's. How can love not break the chain leading a person to do this?
I don't believe hell exists, but I believe it should.
I don't believe hell exists, but I believe it should.
kidkvno1
Sarah's Pet
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html
read the whole story.
I Did not blame the NFL, it's odd the attack happen after the mess with the NFL!!
Attachments
Propane Goat
Grinder and paint make me the welder I ain't
Moderator
I see some fruitcakes yelling about how they could have taken out the shooter if they were there. Take him out with what, your concealed carry .40 S&W from across the street? The hotel would have just had some more broken windows, you aren't going to hit a damn thing with a handgun at that distance.
I'm more and more disenchanted every day by the gross lack of critical thinking ability displayed by so many.
This guy isn't much of a high roller either, those come from mainland China and play baccarat for $6 million a round.
kidkvno1
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It happens, in places that have more gun control in place, and in places that are gun free zones!!! http://time.com/4635049/chicago-murder-rate-homicides/
All of the places, are run by dems, who put in harder gun laws.
He was playing poker for 8 hours, before he did this!! So all poker should be banned.
Taking out someone at 1000 yards with a 9mm, can be done, a .40 would not be much harder.I see some fruitcakes yelling about how they could have taken out the shooter if they were there. Take him out with what, your concealed carry .40 S&W from across the street? The hotel would have just had some more broken windows, you aren't going to hit a damn thing with a handgun at that distance.
I'm more and more disenchanted every day by the gross lack of critical thinking ability displayed by so many.
This guy isn't much of a high roller either, those come from mainland China and play Baccarat for $6 million a round.
With all of the news, I'm starting to think, this was some kind of bet!
belladonna05
belladonkin'
Loyaler
1. You are so grossly ignorant on things, it makes me wonder how you can post this.
2. You just posted your musings on whether the NFL caused this? I'm sure you love the thought of false flag operations.
3. The washington post is an opinion piece, why not actually research what is happening after gun control was enacted.
4. You bring up Chicago. I live in Indiana, Chicago is a 5 minute drive across the state line. I wonder what Indiana gun laws are like? Oh yeah I live here, shoot em up should be our states motto.
4. Poker should be outlawed? The next time I see a story about playing cards murdering over 50 innocent people I will agree. Even your analogies are ignorant.
PokerPete
RIP Logic, Sanity, and Democracy
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Oh, you'll hit plenty. However, your intended target is most likely not in that "plenty".
Add to that, you become an active shooter in the middle of an incident where not everyone may have figured out where the original active shooter was.
But now you must also admit they guy was taken out by an armed civilian...himself.
There you go again, assuming common sense is common.I'm more and more disenchanted every day by the gross lack of critical thinking ability displayed by so many.
Self answering question, no?
A wise person told me not to engage trolls
When all your "news" is opinion based, why not cite yet another?
I heard the license plate motto of "'Merica, Apple Pie, and Firearms! F#@k Yeah!" failed by only one vote. Is that true?
You re-used the #4 for your last point, ergo it is therefore invalid and may be ignored
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belladonna05
belladonkin'
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ok ok you are rightOh, you'll hit plenty. However, your intended target is most likely not in that "plenty".
Add to that, you become an active shooter in the middle of an incident where not everyone may have figured out where the original active shooter was.
But now you must also admit they guy was taken out by an armed civilian...himself.
There you go again, assuming common sense is common.
Self answering question, no?
A wise person told me not to engage trolls
When all your "news" is opinion based, why not cite yet another?
I heard the license plate motto of "'Merica, Apple Pie, and Firearms! F#@k Yeah!" failed by only one vote. Is that true?
You re-used the #4 for your last point, ergo it is therefore invalid and may be ignored
However I hate living in a time when ignorance and racism is being celebrated. And yes our license plate fiascos have been legend
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fletchdad
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I have not added anything here so far, it was just far too sad to even think about trivializing such a tragedy with my comments......
This is just so sad, so tragic, so unbelievable..... Thats really all I have to say.
This is just so sad, so tragic, so unbelievable..... Thats really all I have to say.
Debi
Forum Admin
Administrator
What makes me angry are the people who think someone is not honoring the victims when they discuss the issues that lead up to it happening and what we can do to fix them.
If I am ever killed by one of these sick madmen with assault weapons - please honor me by having these discussions.
If I am ever killed by one of these sick madmen with assault weapons - please honor me by having these discussions.
Banjois
Visionary
Bronze Level
Exactly. Not finding a way to stop this kind of thing is the most disrespectful thing possible to do to the dead.
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Zorba
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So when do you think is an appropriate time, is it when enough time has passed that people have forgotten about this incident, inappropriate firearms were being handed in VOLUNTARILY just days after the Port Arthur massacre (largest massacre ever at the time) and not because it was suggested by politicians and the previous mass shootings had a similar effect.
This
This is not a terrorism event in the way the word terrorism is used in todays climate, this was a case of domestic lunacy.
Some dumb arse Aussie has said that in the past when that stupid argument was used.
Clearly not.
Sorry if I repeat myself, but amend the amendment.
I did and all there is to say about it is, It's Bullshit, the reasons used in that opinion are the same that I have heard the NRA use all the time, did you consider who may have paid for that opinion to be (insert air quote here) researched (insert air quote here)
I lol'd at the BS about the reloading small mags quickly, without that pause to reload at least 10 rounds could have been rapidly fired, and before you say it, think first and don't say that it can be reloaded quicker, those 10 shots when a shooter is active can be right on target if the shooter is any good, after reloading the shooter must set themselves and acquire a target, so those 10 extra shots can even be more than 10 if the mag is big enough.
It was also funny how the opinion classified an assault rifle, saying that adding things to an AR-15 is what makes it an assault rifle, and that it can be assembled like Lego, those accessories should not be available like they are also, wtf do you need a bayonet or any of the other attachments that were mentioned.
That is murder not mass shootings, you may remember me saying that it is too late for America due to the outrageous number of stockpiled firearms, how many firearms were voluntarily handed in to be destroyed under the gun law reforms, you are also using gang murders to not make a point.
Those nasty Dems and their nasty gun policies are at least a small step closer to a solution.
Australians are still able to own and purchase firearms that have a design purpose other than killing humans, and hand guns are not available legally, and they are extremely hard to purchase on the black market, the number of hand guns here is minuscule and always has been.
Now you are being ridiculous.
So today is not too soon to talk about it, that's good to see, because it's not too late for this incident to be too far back in the peoples minds and maybe some productive discussion in your country on how to get rid of the hindrance that the NRA is and to bring in some COMMON SENSE to the discussion, you are part of the mob that want to drain the swamp, so you should welcome the demise of the NRA's influence in Washington.
They call that a fluke.
Like I read all of that fictitious opinion I'd like you to watch all of this, the humour will make it enjoyable to watch but listen to what he has to say and then tell me if he is full of shit.
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Zorba
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We may be a small forum that is discussing this but even if one reader is woken up to the need for firearm control laws in the USA then we have achieved something, that person may spread the word and hopefully a domino effect will happen like it did here.
We still have murders by firearms and we always will, but most importantly we haven't got that 2nd amendment mentality of thinking firearm ownership is a right and we don't think we need protection from our own countrymen, if you keep away from the violent scum that don't care for anyone but themselves then what do we need protection for.
If not clear by my previous posts on this subject, I am not against firearms, but I do believe that firearm ownership is a privilege and not a right
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