Would you look? A cash game dilemma...

[Panda19977]

If my opponent doesn’t mind, I would definitely glance at his cards whenever possible. I don’t consider it cheating—cheating would be physically altering the game, like turning his cards over to see them. But if he’s holding them at an angle where I can clearly see, I won’t hesitate to take advantage of that. In poker, players are responsible for protecting their own cards, often by covering them with their hands. If he fails to do so, that’s his mistake, not mine. For that reason, I would use the information to my advantage while playing.

 

[enno]

I would never intentionally look at an opponent’s cards. I would inform the dealer if this situation occurs.
I personally make sure that my hand is protected (to prevent the hand being drawn into the muck or looked at).
Being a retired dealer at one of my local casinos, I have seen odd things happen which can cause problems between players (and also dealers, me included).
Keep the game a gentleman’s game.

 

[Brigistul]

I never want to see the cards of the opponent's game 'not that I cheat ', but after seeing them, making a comparison with my cards, I might lose a big pot that I would miss if I didn't play this hand!I think it's a gesture to steal his chance to win and it's not fair!

 

[istbno]

That's a really interesting ethical dilemma, and it actually comes up more often than you’d think at the tables. Personally, if I were in that situation, I’d take the high road. I’d make a genuine effort not to look at his cards — even if he’s being careless and dismissive — because poker should be played with integrity.

Technically, it’s not cheating if an opponent exposes his own cards. You're not breaking any rules by seeing them if he makes them visible. But there's a fine line between passively noticing and actively trying to gain an edge by watching. The spirit of the game matters. If you’re intentionally peeking every chance you get, especially after you warned him, that crosses into ethically questionable territory.

So, No, I wouldn’t keep looking.

 

[NKGB13]

Even being something I acted on ethics and he refused the help I would still keep to my moral and not take advantage on it, but I would taunt him/her everytime I win a hand on them..

Just so they keep thinking about "did he see or not?" and stop being an idiot!

 

[havingfun]

I feel that ultimately all the players have the responsibility of making sure they are not flashing their cards for others to see, so whether you look or not, the player not protecting their cards is causing more harm than the person looking.

 

[Protzo]

Ein Teil des Erfolgs im Poker (genau wie das Leben im Allgemeinen) besteht darin, über verschiedene Situationen im Voraus nachzudenken und zu entscheiden, wie Sie reagieren würden. Wenn die Zeit kommt, ob Sie Ihre Meinung ändern oder nicht, hatten Sie zumindest einen Aktionsplan im Kopf.

So what would you do in this situation?

Der junge, aggressive Cash-Spieler neben dir macht keinen guten Job, seine Hand zu schützen. Die Art, wie er seine Karten betrachtet, macht es dir wirklich leicht zu sehen, was er hat. Du lässt ihn leise wissen, vorsichtig zu sein, aber er lacht nur und sagt dir, dass du dir Sorgen um dein eigenes Spiel machen sollst. Würdest du dir seine Karten ansehen, wenn du eine Chance hast? Und denkst du, dass dies eine Form des Betrütun ? Warum oder warum nicht??

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W.W.W. As they say, playing poker consists of one part of tactic and one part of luck. If you're lucky enough to get more information at certain tables, then why not take a look.

 

[scobido]

I've always liked to play fairly, maybe that's why sometimes I get mad when I see that some people really have no respect for the game, they're just greedy to win everything for themselves, forgetting that it's a game and everyone should be fair play and respect their opponents. A competition can take place even if we're fair play. I, for one, would avoid seeing their cards out of respect for the game.

 

[or3o1990]

I've had this happen many times. I'm usually looking at peoples faces or their hands when the cards are dealt. I've had to warn people they're not protecting their hand in the past and one person actually reacted as if I offended him and didn't do much to fix the issue. I give people one polite and discreet warning then I leave it up to the dealer and floor to protect players who won't protect their hole cards.

 

[renisundernet]

Differently from my previous live game when I got emotional and looked down out of "respect", nowadays I try to open a conversation and look at the "atmosphere" created and figure out where is the range of dynamics in the current game played. If possible, I would just try to figure out emotions, nothing else that may somewhat seem suspicious.

 

[kingofclaycity]

Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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man i actually would remind him once again that i can see his cards, and tell him if u keep showin me im gonna look bro

 

[dreamer13]

Do you remember a time when you were in difficult situations and had to make difficult choices and every option was equally unpleasant.
Many people face all sorts of dilemmas in poker and the choices they make can have long-term consequences.You need to play as your inner voice tells you.A classic poker dilemma is a choice between two or more alternatives in which the outcomes are equally undesirable or equally favorable.There are several decision-making dilemmas in cash poker. One of the key ones is the prisoner's dilemma, where players, in an effort to maximize their own value, often choose strategies that result in a less favorable overall outcome.There is no fraud in this situation.

 

[GIRAUG73]

Part of being successful in poker (just like life in general) is to think about various situations ahead of time and decide how you would react. When the time comes, whether you change your mind or not, you at least had a plan of action in mind beforehand.

So what would you do in this situation?

The young, aggressive cash player next to you isn't doing a great job of protecting his hand. The way he looks at his cards makes it really easy for you to see what he has. You quietly let him know to be careful, but he just laughs and tells you to worry about your own game. Would you keep looking at his cards when you get a chance? And do you think this is a form of cheating if you do look? Why or why not?

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I would keep looking, I aalready told the player to be careful with his cards,
I dont think its cheating, it gives you a slight advantage, especially with this player, but you play against several more players whos only disadvantage is not knowing 2 less cards than you.

I think there would be a difference also if the player is seated before or after you.
If he speaks before you and you see he has better cards than you, you will most probably fold and dont risk chips.
But if he speaks after you, there you have a better edge as you are going to speak before him after cards are shown and you definitely know if you are winning or not.

either way, and dont think its cheating, we use any available resources during a poker game, reading players, taking notes, if someone shows their cards its his/her mistake, its not that you are forcing them to do it or that no one is noticing what is happening.

I think cheating is doing something that the rest of players dont know you are doing to take advantage, the key, i think, is that you are not doing anything behind the scenes or intentionally hiden,

 

[monkeytilter]

Seeing his hand and not declaring it is cheating as you have information the other players do not have, so have gained an unfair advantage on them.

I think the correct thing to do is announce that cards have been exposed and offer to share what you have seen if requested.
Do this every time he exposes his hand.

 

[Lomba]

I'd use it. Hint given, arrogance punishes life.

 

[hardongear]

I wouldn't give him a hint. I'd be nice enough to directly tell him "like hey man I can see you're cards without even trying hard and I don't want to. You may wanna protect them a bit better in the future" 9 times outta 10 the guy will thank me and proceed to protect his cards better. That one time thou....Idk what to tell people but in my 52 years experience life has always punished punishes being stupid. I imagine it always will.

Cheers!!!

 

[primrose]

Late to the party, but if a guy keeps showing his cards after I told him, I'm gonna use the informaton. Not like maliciously; if he just forgets, I'll tell him again. But if he just ignores the advice, then I'd have no more scruples; I'm gonna lean back in my seat and try to see them as best as I can.

That's never happened before, though. What has happened before is that I see them the first time during a hand. In this case my policy is to exploit it for that hand but then tell the opponent when it's over. So far it has never cost anyone a lot. Except me, the one time I based a big decision on seeing someone's cards I actually misread them (only saw them briefly) and thought my opponent was bluffing when he wasn't.

 

[ThorSAutor]

This ist a hard question.
In fact, in our friends poker round with some beginners this problem sometimes occures. We solved it the way to remember all players from time to time that everyone is self responsible that noone can get a look into their cards.
Sometimes, if a player is very unaware, it is nearly impossible not to notice his cards.
I how thought of your question a bit. Result: While playing with friends I would everytime remind my fellows. Playing with strangers who got warned: their pity. Yes, it is cheating, but If he wants it to be so... Only problem is the advantage against the other players who did not cause the situation.

 

[ThorSAutor]

Has nothing to do with cheating If u would continue to look after u told him and he still did not do nothing to protect them better.

Someone who wants to cheat has bad intentions. If u told him u see his cards, then u had good intentions in the first place. Its not ur fault he does not protect his cards well in a game in which a big part is about information.

Now if i would be in a homegame with friends i would say something. In a casino with people idk (where i never am) i would probably not. Probably not even in the first place to be honest. If a grown adult cant hold/protect his cards in a game like poker then its not my Problem tbh. im not the floorman or some kind of babysitter and my eyes see what they see 😉

I share your opinion in parts. The problem is you not only know what the single player hast but also what the other players do not have. So you have an advantage that they did not cause.

 

[ThorSAutor]

Of course I would keep looking once he keeps showing me.
Number 1 rule of live cards protect your cards from your opponents.
Is it cheating? It is 100% unfair to the other players at table as you have information that they don't.
In my opinion it is not cheating. As we are not doing anything out of the ordinary at table or using any tools to get advantage. We are gaining an advantage by opponent mistake (and stupidity). We clearly told player we can see his cards and he was the one who chose to ignore it. In any card game we try to look for an edge or advantage. It would not be in our best interest in my opinion not to use this information to our advantage. He will pay the stupid tax.

Well said. I will need to overthink my ethical standards while sitting at the poker table.

 

[schtiuky]

Well if the player does not understand the situation after explaining to him you can also raise this problem to the game organization manager that you have an awkward situation and if its ok for you to use this information or not. If you put it on the spot then its no longer your obligation to protect his hands. Or maybe the distance is to little between you two and the game manager needs to put less people on a table. Hmm I guess it really is a dilemma.