When you own the table then it happens!!! VPIP 60-70 crush!!!

[fullorfold]

Hey,

You know when you play your best poker of the session, you can feel it.... you OWN this table. Every one gives you respect, your 3 bet's get folded to and you win little by little more or less any hand you get involved in. But then.... as a bolt from the sky a new player sits down... This guy really a maniac he plays 60-70 VPIP and PFR40... Suddenly the cards stop hitting after the flop your AK misses , PP QQ , flop gets A and K on it. And this maniac that just come to table have been winning every hand (almost) 40 minutes straight...

Your low VPIP and all of you strategy seems to fall apart, you that crushed this table now seems to be crushed by this maniac!?
We have all been here! But how do you cope with this?

 

[Margo17]

I appreciate a maniac coming to the table, against him I will be able to extract more from my strong hands, but I avoid going to gamble with him.

 

[CompulsiveGambl]

Has happened a lot to me and even after making 300 or 400 to 1.5k, 2k or 2.5k I've lost it all and left with nothing cuz even when you get the best hand and you feel like it's your turn the guy regularly betting and raising somehow have better hands than you or even if not he's gonna have it on turn or river just feels off but that's how the game is even I've felt at time like this how can this person win every single hand it's just their day that's all even I've had days like that where I've lost thousands by applying everything I've learned and won thousands playing blindly just betting and raising and still hitting the set everytime someone came for showdown idk what it is but it doesn't feel like fair play to me but it's rare happens when you add money to the poker wallet after a long time just like the beginning

 

[fullorfold]

this is exactly what i talking about!!! look at this FISH!!! HTF can you win like this!? he come to table with 40 BB and sit with 450BB when quit!!!


VPIP 93 PFR 52!!! 3 bet 36!!!!!

And ofc i lose to this shit!!!

This is what tilt me to the brink of RAGE!!! How can you defend against this kind of players!?!?!


The plan was to extrack value from his "usual" 94% pot bet turn and 74% pot bet river... Actually i think i did play this hand wrong the correct should be to go all in on the river against this guy but this time this play saved me money....

 

[fundiver199]

Maniacs are the most profitable player type to be against, but as you say, it can also be quite tilting, when they are on a heater. The best advice is to try your best to play emotionless poker and implement hand reading against them, as you do against all other players. In the hand example with KK he bet full pot on turn and full pot on river. Have you seen him do this with a top pair type of hand or a bluff? If you have, then everything is good, and he just happened to be at the top of his range this time.

But if you have not seen him do this with second best hands, then it could be a situation, where maybe you can fold KK on the river instead of calling and putting yourself on massive tilt, when you see the 54 offsuit. If someone is very loose preflop, then its also easier for them to have a low card like a 5 postflop. And just because they are loose preflop, does not always mean, that gigantic bets postflop are bluffs or second best made hands. It could also be, that they smashed the board yet again, and now they are going for max value.

 

[ajb123]

In the long run you will crush the maniacs - sometimes knowing their aggression, you can advantage this will limp reraise's 🤟

 

[steve01991]

cards come and go, be patient and play top hands against him, do not speculate on hands!

 

[fundiver199]

You know when you play your best poker of the session, you can feel it.... you OWN this table.

As an additional comment I never feel, that I "own" a table. And if you regularly have that feeling, it suggest to me, that maybe you are letting emotions take up to much space, when you play. This is contradictory to winning poker strategy, so it might be a mental game leak, you want to work on

Every one gives you respect, your 3 bet's get folded to and you win little by little more or less any hand you get involved in.

For instance rather than feeling, that everyone "gives you respect", maybe you should appreciate the possibility, that you have just been running hot by mostly running into the bottom of peoples ranges. Or maybe you have correctly identified players, who overfold to 3-bets, and you have exploited that by ramping up your 3-bet percentage. But whichever it is, it likely has nothing to do with them being afraid to play with you or "respecting" you or any such thing.

 

[fullorfold]

The best advice is to try your best to play emotionless poker and implement hand reading against them, as you do against all other players.

With all respect, but HOW can you read their hand with VPIP91 !?!? It's like they play every hand but not 72 and 82 .... The bet pot every time! how do you exploit this? If board 88 J 5 2 he potbet every street and you sit with AA you gonna fold until you hit set!? and with KK and with QQ. AK are K 7 7 6 9 good against them!?

You can only gamble against this maniacs

 

[fundiver199]

With all respect, but HOW can you read their hand with VPIP91 !?!?

Hand reading means assigning our opponent a range, which is consistent with their actions in the hand, and what we know about their tendencies. It does not mean putting them on a very narrow range or some specific holding. Playing against a wide range is not limited to playing against maniacs. In heads-up poker both players will often see the flop with a very wide range. And in tournaments with antes there is a lot of SB open limping, and this is again usually a very wide range.

In this particular situation the most important implication of his wide range is, that he will have flopped trips more often, and he will have top pair or an underpair to the Q less often than a GTO player. He will also have total air more often, and therefore it is reasonable to check back the flop and allow him to bluff and also limit the amount, you can lose, when he has trips. So I like that part of the hand, but the potential issue comes on the river, when he bet full pot again.

The bet pot every time! how do you exploit this?

Ok but you say, that he won around 400BB, before he left the table. Presumably this must mean, he won many big pots at showdown, and then again presumably most if not all of these pot bets were for value? Which is why, its important to pay attention to, what a non-standard player like this actually show down. If he was constantly bluffing or overplaying marginal hands, and got called and had to show them down, then he would not have been up 400BB most likely?

If board 88 J 5 2 he potbet every street and you sit with AA you gonna fold until you hit set!?

Unless you have seen him do something similar with a J or total air then yes, you should fold AA, if he bet pot on all 3 streets. This is fundamental game theory. We defend less against big bets than small bets, unless we have information and want to exploit an opponent, who we think is bluffing to much or overplaying hands, we can beat. Let someone else make the first hero calls and pay attention to, what he show down against them.

 

[GarotoMaroto]

Probably just chilling
Chill is a great answer, you won't get crushed if you don't put your chips on the table
And if you put your chips on the table with game you won't get crushed
The game still the same, does not matter if you playing agains Superman,Batman or Dean Winchester
God bless

 

[puzzlefish]

Was it this guy?

 

[fundiver199]

I know, it might sound like, I (and others) are being very hard on you here, but believe me, its all written with love. I also started out with online cash games, and I can totally relate to this situation. As in "been there, done that, bought the T-shirt". For the last 5 years or so, I have been playing almost exclusively tournaments, and my experience is, that its somewhat easier to deal with maniacs in this format.

The reason is, that usually stacks are lower, and if they happen to flop trips against your overpair in a 3-bet pot, then it just is, what it is, and if they bust you, you dont need to deal with them any more for now. So there is not this dynamic, where you rebuy and have time to get really annoyed with this player, who is involved in almost every hand, make huge bets all the time, yet somehow always seem to have it, when he get called down. Two more thoughts on this situation:

1) One of the main advantages of cash games is, that you decide 100%, when you want to play, and who you want to play against. So if a maniac annoy you, then its fine to just leave the table, even though you should be able to beat this kind of player. Playing on tilt can lead to much bigger mistakes than just playing to many hands preflop.

2) Just because someone play far to many hands preflop, does not mean, they are clueless about postflop, especially not if it happen at anything above 2-5NL. Clearly its someone, who play for fun, but they might have played longer than you, and because they play so many hands, they get a lot of experience postflop. So maybe they are actually quite good at understanding their situation postflop and understanding how to exploit their loose image.

 

[fullorfold]

bought the T-shirt".

Honole'y, ano'i gahano oi, nahananey... Bring me back a T-shirt!!!

 

[amonlima]

this is exactly what i talking about!!! look at this FISH!!! HTF can you win like this!? he come to table with 40 BB and sit with 450BB when quit!!!
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VPIP 93 PFR 52!!! 3 bet 36!!!!!

And ofc i lose to this shit!!!

This is what tilt me to the brink of RAGE!!! How can you defend against this kind of players!?!?!

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The plan was to extrack value from his "usual" 94% pot bet turn and 74% pot bet river... Actually i think i did play this hand wrong the correct should be to go all in on the river against this guy but this time this play saved me money....

It's so good to play against these players, I'll print money against them, but you have to be smart playing against them, just extract from their hands stronger, there's no secret

 

[dorsk]

When you feel you own the table you may be on the brink of positive tilt