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I'm so confused, when you have straight on flop, and other have set, chance to win is 68%, but when you need only 1 card on turn for flush give 65%. How they calculate that equity for cashout?
 
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I'm so confused, when you have straight on flop, and other have set, chance to win is 68%, but when you need only 1 card on turn for flush give 65%. How they calculate that equity for cashout?
In case of cashout i think. they just give you garantee part of pot, or you just check your luck :).
 
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The probability that a set becomes a full house or better is 33.4%.
100 - 33.4 = 66.6
So the probability that a straight either wins or ties is 66.6%.
After subtracting the probability of a tie and the rake, isn't it around 65%?
 
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They calculate the equity using an algoritm similar to, what is used in online equity calculators like Equilab, and then they substact the fee, which on most sites is 1%. If you dont understand the numbers in a particular hand, its most likely, because you are missing something when reading the board texture. 9 outs to a flush does not give 35% equity, but your opponents might also have outs to a straight or an overpair, 0r even counterfeit outs.
if for instance you have :7s4::7c4:, he has :ah4::kh4: , and the board is :qh4::jh4::2s4::jd4: , then he can win on a any heart other than 7h and also on a T, Q, K or A. So he has a total of 20 outs, which makes it almost a coinflip.
 
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One small detail is, if they take folded cards into account. If 6 people were dealt in, and 4 have folded, then there are 44 unseen cards on the turn, but only 36 of those can come on the river. So if they calculate true equity, that will be somewhat different from the equity, we can calculate without knowing the folded cards.

Its unclear, if they do it this way, but it would make sense to prevent players from culluding against them by sharing information about folded cards. If for instance we are all-in on the turn, and our opponent has 12 outs, then 32/44 unknown cards will give us the winning hand, which gives us a theoretical equity of 72,7%.

But if our buddy tells us on Messenger, that he folded two cards, that are NOT among our opponents outs, then 30/42 unknown cards gives us the winning hand, which means our euqity is now only 71,4%. So if we are offered to cash out 72,7% * 0,99 = 72,0%, we can make a long term profit accepting this offer at the expense of GG Poker.

Its also not entirely correct to assume, that folded cards are completely random. Preflop people are more likely to fold low cards than high cards, and postflop they are more likely to fold cards, that fail to connect with the board. So I would guess, that cash-out offers are based on true equity, and in that case it can explain at least small deviations from the equity, we calculate based on the assumption, that all unseen cards are equially likely to come on the turn and river.
 
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Unfortunately, math can't be substantiated in very many cases.That's why many players play bingo.
 
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