$2 NLHE 6-max: 2 pre-flop spots would appreciate feedback please

[Casey55]

pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
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UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BU (Hero): $2.32 (116 bb)
SB: $0.85 (43 bb)
BB: $2.65 (133 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K♠ A♣
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.18, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $0.42, Hero 5-bets to $2.32 (all-in), UTG calls $1.58 (all-in)

Hand 1. Is shoving AK pre-flop +EV or good play here?

if try to do the math;

Pot size before shove= 0.63

To call= 0.24

We are shoving for 1.58

What's our equity when called? (tell me if you would add or get rid of anything in this range) QQ+,AK

How often he folds: If we give his 4-betting range something like JJ+,AK
he maybe folds only the JJ's, he needs to call 1.58 to win a pot of 3.19 so he needs basically 50% equity versus our range,

If we give ourselves a shoving range of QQ+,AK. Villain's JJ only has 36% equity versus us but at 2nl I don't know if they are capable of folding JJ in this spot because of the money already in the pot.


EV=F($pot)+C(%W*$W)-C(%L*$L)

0x(0.63)1(.40*2.21)1(.60*1.82)

1(0.88)1(1.09)

=0.95

So then this is marginally EV? assuming we think villain is not folding JJ?

Is this math correct? what is a good EV number for it to be worth making this sort of play? obv the high the better but I was wondering as to what is a decent minimum

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UTG (Hero): $3.32 (166 bb)

BU: $2.10 (105 bb)

SB: $3.72 (186 bb)

BB: $1.23 (62 bb)




Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J♦ J♠

[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.24, BB 4-bets to $1.23 (all-in), UTG (Hero) folds, 1 fold

[/FONT]The SB re-raiser was very maniac and LAG-ish who was 3-betting a-lot and playing aggressively, playing in a crazy manner. I called him down one hand when he triple barrel bluffed me and he had 98o which was air I believe. what about the other players range maybe he was also adjusting to the maniac and just getting it in with a decent hand ? do we fold here ?

 

[eetenor]

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
CO: $2.00 (100 bb)
BU (Hero): $2.32 (116 bb)
SB: $0.85 (43 bb)
BB: $2.65 (133 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K♠ A♣
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.18, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $0.42, Hero 5-bets to $2.32 (all-in), UTG calls $1.58 (all-in)

Hand 1. Is shoving AK pre-flop +EV or good play here?

if try to do the math;

Pot size before shove= 0.63

To call= 0.24

We are shoving for 1.58

What's our equity when called? (tell me if you would add or get rid of anything in this range) QQ+,AK

How often he folds: If we give his 4-betting range something like JJ+,AK
he maybe folds only the JJ's, he needs to call 1.58 to win a pot of 3.19 so he needs basically 50% equity versus our range,

If we give ourselves a shoving range of QQ+,AK. Villain's JJ only has 36% equity versus us but at 2nl I don't know if they are capable of folding JJ in this spot because of the money already in the pot.


EV=F($pot)+C(%W*$W)-C(%L*$L)

0x(0.63)1(.40*2.21)1(.60*1.82)

1(0.88)1(1.09)

=0.95

So then this is marginally EV? assuming we think villain is not folding JJ?

Is this math correct? what is a good EV number for it to be worth making this sort of play? obv the high the better but I was wondering as to what is a decent minimum

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PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 4 players

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UTG (Hero): $3.32 (166 bb)

BU: $2.10 (105 bb)

SB: $3.72 (186 bb)

BB: $1.23 (62 bb)




Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J♦ J♠

[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.24, BB 4-bets to $1.23 (all-in), UTG (Hero) folds, 1 fold

[/FONT]The SB re-raiser was very maniac and LAG-ish who was 3-betting a-lot and playing aggressively, playing in a crazy manner. I called him down one hand when he triple barrel bluffed me and he had 98o which was air I believe. what about the other players range maybe he was also adjusting to the maniac and just getting it in with a decent hand ? do we fold here ?

Thank you for posting.

I ran the AK hand in equilab using QQ+ AK the result was 38.82% adding JJ 39.78% So it would seem that the question is would your V 4 bet wider than that so that we get some folds when we shove? Very few players at this stake level balance their 4 bets OOP in fact often they 4 bet hands they are calling with.

While it is not a mistake to get all-in with AK here- at this stake level we do not need to take close equity spots preflop as our V make many mistakes post flop when we can have huge equity advantages.
Further if we smooth call the first raise we can often trap our V for stacks with second best A and K hands while limiting our variance swings and balancing our IP bluff range.

We earn $ from our V's mistakes they make the most profitable mistakes post flop.
Therefore we can use exploitative strat most of the time.

Unless of course you are 12+ tabling then shove the AK.

Hope this helps

 

[fundiver199]

Both spots are very opponent dependant, so HUD-stats would be of great value. I understand, you probably dont have one, so just explaining, that these are some of the situations, where it can really help you make better decisions. In the AK hand I learn towards just calling, since we are pretty deep, and his 4-bet sizing as well as his stack size makes me think, he is probably some kind of regular. And against a regular at these stakes AK is typically not in great shape against their stack off range. In the JJ hand folding is ok. You were the initial opener, so you have not yet invested much, and you also have the other guy left to act behind you. If they are both spew-fish, I would get it in though.

 

[300HPGOD]

In the first hand (AK) it is not mathematically bad to jam but you should be trying to do the best action as in poker then can be many good or decent actions but we want to choose the best or most plus EV action. In this case without knowing any other details calling pre flop is probably the best as you get to see a flop and even though your hand is not disguised and you may not get implied odds I think its better than jamming and more than likely getting it in as a 57/43 dog. Plus villain does not always have QQ in this spot but could have 1010 or JJ where there is some wiggle room to attempt a bluff. Not saying I would bluff but its an option we can still have that would give us even a tiny boost in equity on flops that come in with a Q.

The second hand is one of those hands where our holding is strong but without further details I think its a relatively easy fold. Against a typical player at these levels what are they cold 4 betting with and within that range how much of it is JJ beating? I would say small % at best so this one is a hand where I generally say I would just fold and not tell anyone as sometimes you have to fold a strong hand that you know is more likely than not behind. QQ in similar spots like this are the same especially if we did know the 4 bettor was tight.

 

[scubed]

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 4 players

UTG (Hero): $3.32 (166 bb)

BU: $2.10 (105 bb)

SB: $3.72 (186 bb)

BB: $1.23 (62 bb)




Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J♦ J♠

[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.24, BB 4-bets to $1.23 (all-in), UTG (Hero) folds, 1 fold

[/FONT]The SB re-raiser was very maniac and LAG-ish who was 3-betting a-lot and playing aggressively, playing in a crazy manner. I called him down one hand when he triple barrel bluffed me and he had 98o which was air I believe. what about the other players range maybe he was also adjusting to the maniac and just getting it in with a decent hand ? do we fold here ?

Yuck. SB 4x is really strong, I think, at these stakes. BB who bluffed previously, isn't always going to be bluffing. I think the fold is OK... the sizing is simply so big that our hero would turn from playing poker to be gambling on chance

 

[scubed]

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 4 players

UTG (Hero): $3.32 (166 bb)

BU: $2.10 (105 bb)

SB: $3.72 (186 bb)

BB: $1.23 (62 bb)




Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J♦ J♠

[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.24, BB 4-bets to $1.23 (all-in), UTG (Hero) folds, 1 fold

[/FONT]The SB re-raiser was very maniac and LAG-ish who was 3-betting a-lot and playing aggressively, playing in a crazy manner. I called him down one hand when he triple barrel bluffed me and he had 98o which was air I believe. what about the other players range maybe he was also adjusting to the maniac and just getting it in with a decent hand ? do we fold here ?

Yuck. SB 4x is really strong, I think, at these stakes. BB who bluffed previously, isn't always going to be bluffing. I think the fold is OK... the sizing is simply so big that our hero would turn from playing poker to be gambling on chance

 

[TheBigFinn]

Pre-Flop:[/B] ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K♠ A♣
UTG raises to $0.06, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.18, 2 players fold, UTG 4-bets to $0.42, Hero 5-bets to $2.32 (all-in), UTG calls $1.58 (all-in)
Hand 1. Is shoving AK pre-flop +EV or good play here?

Given the arbitrary nature of Villain's holdings shoving is at least break even. My question would be, "Why is shoving better than calling?" Hero is in position and the flop will either contain an Ace or King or not. If not Hero is behind and will hold. Hero will lose to AA, and KK. Shoving would only be the best choice if Villain is folding worse hands like QQ, or JJ to a shove.

Pre-Flop:[/B] ($0.03) Hero is UTG with J♦ J♠
Hero raises to $0.06, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $0.24, BB 4-bets to $1.23 (all-in), UTG (Hero) folds, 1 fold
The SB re-raiser was very maniac and LAG-ish who was 3-betting a-lot and playing aggressively, playing in a crazy manner. I called him down one hand when he triple barrel bluffed me and he had 98o which was air I believe. what about the other players range maybe he was also adjusting to the maniac and just getting it in with a decent hand ? do we fold here ?

When BB 4-bets, it's a fold. Even if Hero is 50/50 against BB, SB will take some of Hero's win away. Best to give up 6 cents and conserve your stack for later.