Same situation, insecurity, ensure the payment or fight for the final table?

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1 place away from cashing, I get an AQ of the same suit, and a player with triple the chips goes all in, the cash for the last place was 9 dollars and the first was 120, the question is that I had 9,000 chips and I decided not to pay and insure, and if I paid I tripled my chips since that player was neither forced nor small, what would you have done? Would they have risked tripling and secured a possible 4th or 5th place at the final table with the chips or secured the cash first? I feel like it's my karma, the same situation always happens to me and I can't reach the final table because of it. should I risk? :(
 
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yeah, if I am on the bubble and have a chance of cashing, I will fold the AQ.

That being said, I have a tourney on Tuesdays that usually pays 13 cents for being in the money. Every time I go in when it is the bubble like with the AQ type hand it will knock me out of the tournament. So yes , for $9, it pays to sit out, because you can make money with $9. You can't make any money with air.
 
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In this case I'd just fold; however if I had lets say late position and there was only 1-2 players left, lets say I was playing from the co/btn, it would definitely be a jam, unless someone already did jam before me. I mean it's a tricky spot and you will always expect from a chip leader to put some aggressive play on the bubble.

Good thing is that you can learn from it and next time when you are the one who's got all the chips, just open a bit wider than usual on the bubble and try to punish those with short stacks by stealing some blinds.
 
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How short were you? Did you have a chance of going far? I usually focus on first place. But if I were short and, in this case, very far from winning the tournament, then I would fold.
 
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How short were you? Did you have a chance of going far? I usually focus on first place. But if I were short and, in this case, very far from winning the tournament, then I would fold.
It's been 1 week since I won anything big, only cents on a dollar, that also generated conformity in me, and I had the possibility of securing 9 dollars, I secured it. I could have been 4th or 5th paying that AQ, in fact a Q came out on the flop but there could have been a straight from the opponent who had triple the chips. I had 9000 chips and he had 33000, I always find myself in this situation. The question is, that between place 15 and 10 the payout was from 9 dollars to 10, and from 10 onwards it went up from 10 to 120 dollars, so by not paying that hand I was short of chips to fight the final table, I think I would have tripled but if we analyze this happens several times and the differences in payout price between the tenth place and the first 5 is abysmal.
 
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1 place away from cashing, I get an AQ of the same suit, and a player with triple the chips goes all in, the cash for the last place was 9 dollars and the first was 120, the question is that I had 9,000 chips and I decided not to pay and insure, and if I paid I tripled my chips since that player was neither forced nor small, what would you have done? Would they have risked tripling and secured a possible 4th or 5th place at the final table with the chips or secured the cash first? I feel like it's my karma, the same situation always happens to me and I can't reach the final table because of it. should I risk? :(

To give a proper answer, I need to know what the buy-in was (or if it was a freeroll), what the blind levels were to understand stack depths, your position in the hand, and which position the raiser was in.

Regarding ICM, you need to consider that big stacks will often abuse the situation to their advantage, and AQ is a very strong hand, especially if you were in late position.

If you think about it, you were playing a small field with 15 players in the money, so a win was very achievable. You only need to win once to get close to a 14 times min-cash. If you're super short and a double-up or even a triple-up would not significantly change your position in the tournament, then it is an easy fold. Just timebank to reach the money.

But in the long term, you will win more money going for the win rather than always hanging on just to min-cash. Unless a min-cash is significant money for you, go for the win.

My answer assumes you were in late position, based on the limited information I had about the tournament structure, blind levels, and payout structure.
 
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1 place away from cashing, I get an AQ of the same suit, and a player with triple the chips goes all in, the cash for the last place was 9 dollars and the first was 120, the question is that I had 9,000 chips and I decided not to pay and insure, and if I paid I tripled my chips since that player was neither forced nor small, what would you have done? Would they have risked tripling and secured a possible 4th or 5th place at the final table with the chips or secured the cash first? I feel like it's my karma, the same situation always happens to me and I can't reach the final table because of it. should I risk? :(
"I feel like it's my karma, the same situation always happens to me and I can't reach the final table because of it. should I risk? 🙁"

....this is called answering your own question😎👍
 
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