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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6530153, member: 305911"] Pre is a call or a jam. Depends on the villain on which is best imo. If you know they vpip a lot of pots then I would just go with it here especially if this is a turbo format which I am not sure whether it is or isnt. I agree with fundiver that some raise sizing other than a jam is bad, in fact I think it is worse than bad so calling is fine if you dont want to stick it in. Flop: I dont think checking is bad as long as you are checking for the correct reasons. We are up against two players here on a dry board besides some gutters so if you check and you feel you almost know villain or villains will bet here then checking with the intention of at least calling if one villain or raising if both get involved then I like it. I also think there is nothing wrong with leading here either, I just know with this flop and the action that has already occurred, Im not going anywhere. As played I like just calling and not jamming over. Jamming isnt bad but it will fold out all the 10x and 6x and given that this was a limped pot all of that crap could be in play. I think I like calling flop and then planning on leading if turn card connects with the board in some way and checking if it a dry card like 3 of hearts. I think villain could be exceptionally wide here not only because they limped pre but just saw two players check to them so they could be just stabbing here. You jammed and got a ridiculously bad call by villain and they sucked out. It sucks and it happens to me as well but dont make it the focal point of the hand. First, remember all the times you suck out as we as players forget about those hands and remember the ones like these that sting. Secondly, think about the flop action and what you would do with different opponent types. Put your opponents in groups and plan against these Im jamming, against these Im calling... etc. so you are ready for the next time you get in a similar spot. Apparently against villains like this, it appears we should be jamming since they call off weak. Bad luck [/QUOTE]

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