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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6686959, member: 305911"] Pre: In total agreement with Fundiver that these hands need to be folded pre flop for the reasons he states. Flop: This is where I diagree with the above. I think bet sizing is very important here because of what we should be planning to do for the rest of this hand. We shouldnt be in this hand to begin with but if we are starting with 23 BBs and flop a set then I am not looking to fold and thinking then about the best way to get the chips in the middle. If we go too small here then we cant jam turn without being a massive overbet to the pot. If we bet something like 400 here then we have 1740 behind and 1400 in the pot assuming one caller. That is an overbet jam for turn yes, but it isnt 2x overbet or anything super large like that and when its that close to 1 to 1 then it makes more sense (at least I think it would to villain) to jam since any bet would commit us to the pot anyway and therefore they might call off lighter. Even the 300 sizing you make it makes it 1800 behind and a pot of 1200 which is a doable jam turn of course but it would look better being closer to 1 to 1. Turn: I would not have preferred another diamond but I do like the ace as Ax is the most common hand villains will play. So I already established that I am not folding so I would just get it in here even though we could be up against a flush. Any other size bet I would make here I feel would commit myself and I dont want 1 diamond hands seeing the river without fully paying for it. Of course this hand plays so much differently deep but with the stack we have I am going with this right now right or wrong. I understand my jam here is a bet where we only really get called when we are beat outside some small range of hands but being as short as we are you have to be more willing to take risk and go with it. I suppose we could also, as mentioned above, bet some amount and then call off raises but I would not be folding river then even with a bad card like what came. Just too much in the middle starting with too small a stack so that is another reason why I just go turn and kind of hope we are good. Good hand to bring up because you can save a lot of money in these spots where you are short stacked by avoiding opening small pocket pairs and taking that away from this hand alone will help immensely going forward. [/QUOTE]

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