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Message: [QUOTE="twizzybop, post: 373111, member: 2990"] [B]His reraise was pretty big, which obviously meant that he had you beat.[/B] There was no obvious, remember the hand hasn't been played.. and the only thing obvious was the overbet re-raise from the BB.. Majority of the time Overbetting means(person has squat).. Over betting mostly gets results of your opponent to fold because it is an Over bet which more people do with garbage card. [B]I understand that you got mad because he hit on the river, but after all he was favourite preflop when you were all in. You don´t have to be results oriented. You deserved to lose when you were all in and that´s all. [/B] Then by all means.. lets take the Math aspect out game, toss it right out the window... Bye Bye %'s..They are a part of the game weither they are for me or against me...I like math, always enjoyed it, I will never drop it. [B]I have a question: how different would be your opinion about this hand if in the flop came an A an then just rags? Or if the complete board wouldn´t help anyone making his hand the winner? You said that you wouldn´t mind about it, so why it bothers you the way that the hand reached the same goal?[/B] Honestly even though I do like Math.. I don't like luck or chance.. I'd rather win or lose by skill, knowledge and strategy... Thats why you'll hardly see me playing the lottery. scratch tickets here for instance you have a 1:4 chance to win.. At most if I do play them.. 1-2 maybe in a month. I've previously said "I love basketball".. Take the 3-point shot for instance vs a 10ft Jumper, of course one can make both. The benifit of 3 points vs 2 points make it worthwhile.. Yet the %'s so that a skillfull player will make more inside shots compared to the 3-pointer... I even play pool that way.. I almost won't play AP rules where there is no skill involved. I call my shots, always have and always will, I won't rely on fate,hope,wish, and any other word or thing that can be put there... So yes I prefer results be left apon as skill and knowledge instead of fate,hope,wish and any other word you can put there... Anyway i have learned to accept differents behaviors, but i just don´t know the reason of [B]why you get mad about losing when you know you made the incorrect move. [/B] It isn't the point about making the incorrect move.. and mad about the %'s.. c'mon lets get serious just for once.. 9 cards to come..18% of winning.. That means I should have won 82% of the time after the flop, and after the turn 84% of the time.. Before the flop I should win around 34% of the time.. I am in the 80% range of winning while he was only in the 66% range.. Now lets put the 66% into perspective.. that is almost the same percentage to get a flush down to the river after the flop.. Seems reasonable to me.. people call that all the time..Some people even make an all in bet for it(which I did).. However based apon the Overbet.. It never occured to me that I would be in that spot of getting same %'s as a flush draw down to the river What it boiled down to.. Testosterone.. there was no thought process from neither one of us.. The best hand won, lost, then won.. The %'s for each of us to win dramatically changed based apon the cards that came... Now to further answer your question.. Ever see an Underdog in any sport that was Overmatched but either won or barely lost.. The hope shot from half court the strong team makes winning the game, the field goal from the 50yard line that goes through the uprights for the win, the home run the hitter got cause he just sticks out his bat, the 50ft putt one sinks to win the tournament, ..... ok better teams rely on skill and knowledge to win, yet the underdog can go ahead of the game at a certain point, putting pressure on the strong team to win.. last seconds of a game.. the long putt.. home run hit.. So yes I will always believe in skill,knowledge any day over some hope,wish, fate and whatever else you wish to put here. [B]Maybe i´m completely crazy but when i committe a big mistake, i don´t like getting lucky. I prefer to lose so i can analyze in better shape my mistake[/B] That is my initial point.. I didn't want the luck.. hand is much easier to analize when there isn't an ounce of luck for the hand. [B] Twiz, you have to know when you got reraised you were behind in the hand[/B] Againt its an overbet.. and nothing to determine that I was indeed behind in the hand.. [B]You should have let it go and found a better situation or at least a stronger hand to go out with[/B] I should have just called.. not let it go.. at least then I would have the power and position with the K. [B]This does not qualify for a bad beat,[/B] Never said it was a bad beat.. just a lucky beat.. [/QUOTE]

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