Did I do the right thing even tho I won ???

[ratbat615]

pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - 500/1,000 (100 ante) - 9 players
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lpsoccer99 (UTG): 54,993 (55 bb)
ratbat615 (UTG+1): 17,201 (17 bb)
Reidopokerjj (MP): 26,135 (26 bb)
CliffG59 (MP+1): 46,375 (46 bb)
bernardolopess (LP): 25,190 (25 bb)
Dima93296 (CO): 8,567 (9 bb)
SJ1950 (BU): 21,798 (22 bb)
jasschun (SB): 34,419 (34 bb)
BrahimPK (BB): 23,739 (24 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,400) Hero (ratbat615) is UTG+1 with T♦ A♦
1 fold, ratbat615 (UTG+1) raises to 17,101 (all-in), Reidopokerjj (MP) 3-bets to 26,035 (all-in), 6 players fold

Flop: (36,602) 8♠ 2♦ 6♦ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (36,602) K♥ (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (36,602) T♠ (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: 36,602

Showdown:
Reidopokerjj (MP) shows Q♣ A♠ (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 52%, Turn: 73%, River: 0%)

ratbat615 (UTG+1) shows T♦ A♦ (a pair of Tens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 48%, Turn: 27%, River: 100%)

ratbat615 (UTG+1) wins 36,602


:diamond: :club: ❤️ :spade:


PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 500/1,000 (100 ante) - 9 players
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BrahimPK (UTG): 15,939 (16 bb)
lpsoccer99 (UTG+1): 55,093 (55 bb)
ratbat615 (MP): 17,301 (17 bb)
Reidopokerjj (MP+1): 26,235 (26 bb)
CliffG59 (LP): 46,475 (46 bb)
bernardolopess (CO): 25,290 (25 bb)
Dima93296 (BU): 8,667 (9 bb)
SJ1950 (SB): 26,898 (27 bb)
jasschun (BB): 36,519 (37 bb)

Pre-Flop: (2,400) Hero (ratbat615) is MP with 6♥ 9♠
BrahimPK (UTG) calls 1,000, 1 fold, ratbat615 (MP) folds, 4 players fold, SJ1950 (SB) calls 500, jasschun (BB) checks

Flop: (3,900) T♥ Q♦ 9♥ (3 players)
SJ1950 (SB) bets 1,000, jasschun (BB) calls 1,000, BrahimPK (UTG) calls 1,000

Turn: (6,900) 7♥ (3 players)
SJ1950 (SB) bets 1,000, jasschun (BB) folds, BrahimPK (UTG) raises to 2,000, SJ1950 (SB) calls 1,000

River: (10,900) A♦ (2 players)
SJ1950 (SB) bets 1,000, BrahimPK (UTG) raises to 11,839 (all-in), SJ1950 (SB) folds

Total pot: 12,900
BrahimPK (UTG) wins 12,900

 

[fundiver199]

I assume, you are talking about the hand with ATs, since you folded in the other hand with 96o? And the answer is, 17BB is to deep to open shove. In general you want to have less than 15BB to make that play except for special situations like high ICM-pressure on SnG bubbles or sometimes blind vs. blind. With 17BB the best play with ATs is to min-raise and then fold, if MP puts in a 3-bet, which most likely he would with AQ.

On this particular table you fold ATs to a 3-bet from any player other than CO, who only started with 9BB. Against him you would not be happy to call it off, but you would be getting a good price, and as the shortest stack he could be a little desperate and be shoving wide enough, that ATs is in at least decent shape against his range.

 

[Matt_Burns88]

Mathematically, I think open shoving here is marginally profitable, but it's certainly not optimal. Much better to min-raise/fold than open shove.

The trouble with open shoving is you're almost always getting called by better in this situation, something like 99+ and AQ+, which you are a horrible dog against.

 

[ratbat615]

I assume, you are talking about the hand with ATs, since you folded in the other hand with 96o? And the answer is, 17BB is to deep to open shove. In general you want to have less than 15BB to make that play except for special situations like high ICM-pressure on SnG bubbles or sometimes blind vs. blind. With 17BB the best play with ATs is to min-raise and then fold, if MP puts in a 3-bet, which most likely he would with AQ.

On this particular table you fold ATs to a 3-bet from any player other than CO, who only started with 9BB. Against him you would not be happy to call it off, but you would be getting a good price, and as the shortest stack he could be a little desperate and be shoving wide enough, that ATs is in at least decent shape against his range.

Thank you for your comment

 

[EnzoRS94]

Shoving ATs with 17BB, there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Even at the flop it was basically a coin flip, and you won.

 

[ratbat615]

Shoving ATs with 17BB, there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion.
Even at the flop it was basically a coin flip, and you won.

Thank you for your comment

 

[hilary antonik filho]

Luckily you won, I don't know if you would do the same, just being at the table with the same situation, as for your question if you acted right, I say yes, because you came out victorious

 

[eetenor]

When we shove we force hands like KT QT JT T9 to fold as well as A9 A8 A7 QJ off folds etc etc etc As we saw here the hands that call most often are not the hands we want to play stacks against---yes you won that will happen but if we continue to take 28% spots we will lose 2.5x more than we win basically over time.

Congrats on winning

 

[whiskers77]

17BB is definitely too much to shove over nearly the whole table in my opinion with this hand. If shoving this hand at all, I would this
only at a late position with this amount of BBs against a shorter stack.

 

[okeedokalee]

fundiver and eetenor summed it up. Keep making that play and long term you will lose.
Shoving that hand UTG1 with 17 BBs is minus EV.
Low stacked it would be an automatic shove.

 

[mushthebush]

This is where letters beat numbers (aka. maths), mmm... because A and because "T" is also a letter in this example. Against AQ which are also letters, so it was a battle of letters, where your numberful letter won. So, the number won (not one), while you were number one (in the end). So, another example where numbers are the KINGS. While kings are not numbers. Poker is really confusing in writing, innit? Nevermind.

I find the above to be a very sound strategy and way of life.

Well, isn't it a "stupid game of cards"? Since you won, you surely played well. EV or not, you did it! Maybe EV and maths are the reason I don't win many tournaments and I often get beaten by trash, which could mean I am a bad player or I just overthink it. My EV and my bankroll are really positive though. I'm still in on the race to number one.

If it matters at all, I would not have shoved 17BB with an ATs there, or ever, especially in an early position. So, I miss such opportunities. Oh well....

On the other hand, great advice from everyone!

 

[WellAA]

nothing wrong with A10, specially when You win.