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Message: [QUOTE="IADaveMark, post: 6376316, member: 490208"] I'm astounded at the people saying a jam pre was the way to go. We were 60bb deep early in a tournament. Anyone who is 4-betting pre has AA, KK or AK. That's 2 where we are crushed and a likely chop. With the 4-bet being as large as it was, I'm not sure I want to commit [I]another [/I]20bb pre to this. Does V really go up that high with AK? Given that, calling the 4 bet was a scary but possible right way to approach this. But put a big question mark on that. That said, the overpot shove of 45bb OOP does [I]not [/I]look very good. Going back to those 3 likely V hands above, AA we are toast, KK we are toast, and AK we are chopping. But do you want to put your tournament life on [I]that[/I]? [/QUOTE]