!!!! Don’t try this at home🏡 !!!!!bad bluff!!!QJo

[ratbat615]

hello guys just want you to know my thought process.i am playing in the $100 Friday silver members tournament about 200 players or more entered .anyway it’s about 60 players left top 36 make the money and I have about 17 bb utg I min raise and everyone folds the bb with about 20 bb 3 bets to 1 bb at this point I said to my self.I said self he has a pair or over cards .and I have only 14 bb left so I just call .I was thinking of going in but decided to play smart.lol.the flop comes A Q 6 rainbow 🌈.now the villain checks question 1.why the hellfire would the villain check when he just 3 bet me .I thought to myself self he’s scared of the A .maybe he has JJ or something like that.so I went all in. I got trapped lol.I could go on and on what do you guys think of the hand???? Thank you for your comments.
pokerstars, Hold'em No Limit - 125/250 (25 ante) - 8 players
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ratbat615 (UTG): 4,539 (18 bb)
HeadAche96 (UTG+1): 5,854 (23 bb)
Comboss599 (MP): 7,274 (29 bb)
Sashok19967 (MP+1): 4,380 (18 bb)
Gallarado777 (CO): 5,487 (22 bb)
Copper Belt (BU): 1,564 (6 bb)
Jookie_7 (SB): 11,126 (45 bb)
odonob (BB): 5,570 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (575) Hero (ratbat615) is UTG with Q♥ J♣
ratbat615 (UTG) raises to 500, 6 players fold, odonob (BB) 3-bets to 1,000, ratbat615 (UTG) calls 500

Flop: (2,325) A♠ Q♦ 6♥ (2 players)
odonob (BB) checks, ratbat615 (UTG) bets 3,514 (all-in), odonob (BB) calls 3,514

Turn: (9,353) 9♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (9,353) 3♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 9,353

Showdown:
ratbat615 (UTG) shows Q♥ J♣ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 15%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

odonob (BB) shows A♣ A♦ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 85%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

odonob (BB) wins 9,353

 

[hobojim1247]

yeah, he trapped you. I have been both, the trapper and the trappee,

 

[Andyreas]

I think QJo is outside of the regular range from UTG, especially when you're short in stacks. Definitely would fold that to a 3-bet. When you're left with 16 BBs and are facing a raise, it's usually shove or fold, in my opinion.

But once you called and face that flop, I can see your thought of shoving as a bluff in case you were right about his range. This time it did not work out.

I'd definitely take some note on the member that he check-raises, which he would have done, if you simply bet instead of shoved. So you know you shouldn't try again with him.

 

[wavetune]

I read your post twice, but I still didn't understand the reason why you and J Q made the minimum raise, you are not with a short stack, these cards are not in the range of the minimum raise with UTG... maybe it's just a mistake, not falling into a trap?

 

[300HPGOD]

First, I would not open QJ off UTG with less than 20 BBs. There are also a lot if times that I do not open it even when deeper stacked from UTG. It depends on the table I am playing at to me. If I am comfortable at the table then I think you can open it UTG but if you feel you are middle of the road at the table or not feeling it then I just fold it. Again, that is only deep stacked and at less than 20 BBs with other reshove stacks after you, I recommend folding pre. After we get raised I guess we just call here due to the price but Im hating it already and also realizing the mistake I made opening at this point. Also their sizing is interesting as it so small of a re raise out of position that I would at least consider that this looks nutty and would be worried.

Going to the flop, villain 3 bet us pre so what hand here would not C bet but instead check it back. Maybe KK would check here although it should be betting but also huge hands that smacked the flop might check here as well so when we get checked to it would also have me worried. Obviously Ive seen the results so it does jade me a little but that is two moves villain makes where it starts to line up like they have a big hand. When checked to then you jam which is bad because what worse hands do we expect to call that jam? What better hands fold outside of KQ and KK but I think both of those still c bet the flop even with the ace since villain 3 bet pre. I think it is far better here to check back as if you are ahead the only turn card that really concerns you would be a K. Not sure how many Kx they would have anyway that isnt already beating you already since I think KJ would just call pre and not 3 bet, same with other Kx that you are ahead of like K10 and a potential defend like K9.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
As others have said, this open from UTG with QJo is to loose. Against the 6BB BTN you can call a rejam with any hand, you open. But against all the other players its important to not have to many raise-fold hands in your range, because that makes it extremely profitable for them to rejam against you. I would open QJs here, because that hand has more equity and playbility, when someone decides to just call (most commonly BB), but for offsuit hands I would not go any lower than KQo.

You do open though, and now BB comes out for an undersized 3-bet of just 2X your raise. This is definitely a very stange play, and right off the bat I would be thinking about, what on earth is going on? Did he misclick? Is he a recreational player, who dont understand proper sizing, or is deliberately goofing around? Or is he doing this, because he have a monster and want action?

Given that this is somewhat near the bubble, I would not assume, that goofing around is a likely option, unless he had maniac stats like 63/46 with a 29% 3-bet. Most maniacs should be gone by now, and when the money is in sight, even they sometimes suddenly understand how to play poker. For the same reason I would also somewhat rule out, that he intentionally 3-bet light and just sized poorly. Near the bubble a lot of players will get rather conservative and defend their blinds by just calling, especially against an UTG raise. Which leave us with the misclick or a monster as the two most likely options.

So I would definitly not 4-bet jam, and its kind of close as to, weather or not I even like calling this 3-bet. If you were deeper, sure then I would always toss in the extra 500 chips, see a flop in position and basically see, what happens. But when you are this short, the issue is, that if he has aces or kings, then flopping a pair will usually cause you to get all your chips in drawing to 5 outs. So you are definitely facing some reverse implied odds, when you flop a pair, and you are nowhere near deep enough to call just to try to smash the flop with two pair or better.

So even though it feels very weak-tight to fold getting this price, I would probably do that and preserve my last 16BB for a better spot. This is somewhat exploitable, but you can avoid getting exploited by not opening this hand in the first place. And of course if the same player make undersized 3-bets multible times, then he probably dont always have aces or kings, and then you can start giving him more action.

Flop
The fact, he checked, does not mean, he cant be strong. The SPR is only around 1,5, and if I find myself in such a low SPR out of position with a hand like AK or AQ, I would want to give my opponent every possible chance to either hang himself or make a lighther call on the turn, because I made my hand look weaker. So I would definitely not bet here. If you are ahead, there is not much for you to protect against, and if you are behind, he is giving you a free chance to spike two pair or trips on the turn, which is great.

Instead you jam, and this is definitely not an effective bet. Most of the time better hands will call and worse hands will fold. So all, this does, is to get all your chips in very bad, when you are behind, and only win a small pot, when you are ahead. This time he had you drawing almost dead with top set, but you are also in bad shape, if he has a hand like A5 or KK, and he is most likely not hero calling with JJ or TT.

 

[eetenor]

hello guys just want you to know my thought process.i am playing in the $100 Friday silver members tournament about 200 players or more entered .anyway it’s about 60 players left top 36 make the money and I have about 17 bb utg I min raise and everyone folds the bb with about 20 bb 3 bets to 1 bb at this point I said to my self.I said self he has a pair or over cards .and I have only 14 bb left so I just call .I was thinking of going in but decided to play smart.lol.the flop comes A Q 6 rainbow 🌈.now the villain checks question 1.why the hellfire would the villain check when he just 3 bet me .I thought to myself self he’s scared of the A .maybe he has JJ or something like that.so I went all in. I got trapped lol.I could go on and on what do you guys think of the hand???? Thank you for your comments.
PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - 125/250 (25 ante) - 8 players
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ratbat615 (UTG): 4,539 (18 bb)
HeadAche96 (UTG+1): 5,854 (23 bb)
Comboss599 (MP): 7,274 (29 bb)
Sashok19967 (MP+1): 4,380 (18 bb)
Gallarado777 (CO): 5,487 (22 bb)
Copper Belt (BU): 1,564 (6 bb)
Jookie_7 (SB): 11,126 (45 bb)
odonob (BB): 5,570 (22 bb)

Pre-Flop: (575) Hero (ratbat615) is UTG with Q♥ J♣
ratbat615 (UTG) raises to 500, 6 players fold, odonob (BB) 3-bets to 1,000, ratbat615 (UTG) calls 500

Flop: (2,325) A♠ Q♦ 6♥ (2 players)
odonob (BB) checks, ratbat615 (UTG) bets 3,514 (all-in), odonob (BB) calls 3,514

Turn: (9,353) 9♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (9,353) 3♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 9,353

Showdown:
ratbat615 (UTG) shows Q♥ J♣ (a pair of Queens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 15%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

odonob (BB) shows A♣ A♦ (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 85%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

odonob (BB) wins 9,353

Ok this is a great learning hand for how to filter data on V actions----So the V min raises from the BB----we know the V is expecting 0 folds. What range is ok with opening up the betting and expecting 0 folds? We can be 4 bet shoving what range is ok with that? Flop the V checks the above range we built why? We can have two thoughts here 1 they fear the ACE or 2 they hit the ace- either way is our shove the best play? If we had AX why would we shove? What does the shove make our V think about our hand strength? Why polarize on the flop when we are in position? What are we bluffing vs? Just KK right-vs JJ we are value shoving-AX is never folding-

 

[Tato Ivan]

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