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Message: [QUOTE="BetterThanAvgButNotByMuch, post: 7170782, member: 480921"] look at what theyre playing while out of position, lol, look at that board and see they dont have a suit. thats someone that 100% believes that its hard to hit the board and theyre not going to let go of middle pair with a good kicker. gto nonsense lol. ugh whatever k7s from the sb fine. ugh. preflop is fine, you can try to reraise as one poster said but by looking at the ppl youre playing (with the K7s result), thats going to be difficult. Plan the hand out preflop with a reraise. say, you try 6+bbs pre then go with another 1/2 size pot bet on the flop or on the turn or go for a check raise not knowing the flop but just with a bare pair of 4s then youre putting too much of your stack at risk. how many times are overs going to hit the board with just 4s? lol If they have Aq, ak and miss the board depending if theyll take another card then you have put a lot more of your 60bbs in blind or behind. or youre going to have to keep blasting "hoping" they fold. And i dont know about this try to push ppl off hands with little pairs on the button. to me set mining multi way in position from late makes sense so the action is closed and you can see a flop cheap, not trying to isolate. youre looking for multiple callers to get all in against multiple stacks and be a fav for more than 1 stack. so i dont know about that one. preflop call in position is fine. if you want to reraise in position then it depends if theyre good enough to fold hands in my mind. if not, call but deep stacked, i want their stack if i hit not the little reraise amounts. i'd go call preflop while only risking nothing there. and again, i want stacks not blinds and the little raise there. At first sight, someone might be thinking the flop is utterly awful for your hand. forget about the end result. Its AWFUL. lol. you have almost nothing in the pot and still deep stack if you bail. But. . .you should have bet there to see where you in the hand. Yes i know its scary but you're in position and deep stacked and you dont have to go bonkers just something to see who has any interest in the pot. I think a nit might say save your mind, your sanity and dont run this professor honeydew experiement where you come out as beaker with that board. but youre a heavy fav against an over pair and still a heavy fav if they have one suit of the flop cards. so bet the flop. and your sim says call, lol , turn it off youre probably not playing the best players in the world!!!! any rational person would say if you get called from a flop bet, then lets peel one looking to fill up and collect the callers bounty. but the bet isnt big compared to your total stack just something to see if they have a pair or a flush card in their hand. and if you get reraised thats also fine too since youre in position and it will clearly define their hand. but again, not betting doesnt define anyones hand and the odds are youre just going to take it down right there on the flop since it is so nasty. but. . .lol, someone would say if you bet there, ppl are going to fold and youre suppose to let them catch up to trap them and thats fine if you just happen to be in a hand where they dont have a flush card to that flop. then youre a massive fav with the set. if they have a flush card theyll come along and you build the pot to get their stack. bet the flop. but even if the turn js a nonsuited ace and they hit it, youre not getting their stack with that board. unless theyre out there. even if they have the ace to that suit then theyre still a massive underdog to what you have. so thats not good. and if the next card of that suit comes off then you can bail or control/ deem what is ok to continue so no biggie. the biggest problem of that hand would be if you cant fold a set if the 4th flush card comes and the bettjng gets silly. if you show aggression on the flop then even if they hit 2 pair there on the turn, theyre probably going to check to you and you decide if you want to bet or check to the river, im thinking. if they happen to have a higher set than you from the flop and going by the passive action so far in the hand then them hoping you have a king while they have a set is rational. And if you bet the flop and they do have a higher set, do you think theyre looking to play a big pot with you??? probably not , so again, i would bet the flop. if they just have a bare king without a card of the flop suit then that isnt that great, i guess hoping you go away along with all the other scare cards. hmm so i guess thats fine? does two pair make sense there? k7, k8 lol or what about AK? nope, theyd probably reraise preflop, kq,kj makes more sense to me. the hand plays out like kq kj and theyre behind in my mind. if they have the higher set although unlikely then you can call that 9bbs bet plus all the other blinds and its still a nice pot. if you showed any aggression on the flop or reraise the king bet on the turn and they still come out firing on the river then you could just call and see what it is but theyre not doing all that with trash. that flop check actually makes the hand harder to play in my mind because 8s and 7s are reasonable calls from the sb but you dont know where you are in the hand. And you would have risked less because im thinking most ppl would bail on a pair without a suit of that flop there with action onthe flop. overall, youre a heavy fav throughout that pot even if they have one card of the flop suit and in a bounty tourn in my opinion would have came out firing not trying to get fancy or cute or passive and should have started building the pot on the flop. if they have a higher set, oh well, if they flopped the less then 1% chance of a flush then you still have 2 chances to pair the board while still in position and can control the pot and you would know they probably have more then lol 2nd pair unless theyre "out there". that flop play is 100% on the op and why the hand went south. its too passive for a bounty tourn imo they either have something or nadda and its usually not the type of flop youre going to take their stack with unless theyre chasing the flush then its a dead give away and you still risk little compared to your stack and can bail without any major damage to your stack. flop bet! build a pot when youre probably ahead or at least get some info where you are in the hand. the game gets easier. lol gl [/QUOTE]

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