$$7.77 NL HE MTT: Did I make the right decision?

[blkmoney12]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

$7.77

Currency

$

There are 4 players left at the final table of the wsop nightly $500 guaranteed reentry tournament.

I was second in chips with 26.4 big blinds, the chip leader had 96.1 big blinds, 3rd place had 7.4 big blinds and last place had 5.3 big blinds.

The video I have linked at the end of the post will show exactly how the hand went down. After the break, the blinds are 3500/7000, 875 ante. While holding JJ, I am first to act and decide to raise to 3 BB, the chip leader (SB) then 3-bet shoves and BB throws in their final 5.2 BB's. I feel stuck with a big decision as to what to do next, given the ICM implications and 2 very short stacks not in the hand.

After you watch the video, I would genuinely like to know if you all think I made the right decision. And would you have played this differently? Let me know your thoughts.

Thank you and have a great day!

https://screenrec.com/share/DEW1GKNy85

 

[Andyreas]

Well after watching the video, of course your decision was right. 😜

But I might have also made the fold and hope to see the short stack busting first.

 

[fundiver199]

It depends on, how the chip leader was playing. If he was a good player with a high understanding of ICM, then raise-folding JJ is the worst possible thing, you can do. You are literally just handing him over 3BB at a time, so it would be better to not play the hand at all. Against that kind of opponent the best strategy is actually to open push, even though you are 26BB deep, because that takes the play away from him. The only thing, he can do against that, is to wait for a hand, that is good enough to call. However if the chip leader was a clueless fish, who would only rejam very strong hands like the one, he had, then you can min-raise a wide range of hands (no point in going 3BB though) and then fold anything but QQ+ the rare times, he rejam on you.

 

[makisaa]

At that point of the game, the decisions are critical and must be ready for all-in. If you decided to play it generaly, I think you must play the hand. But you see another two go all-in, which means that they probably have strong hands which at this case was an AK stronger and a 9 10 weaker and this made you pull back!

 

[eetenor]

There are 4 players left at the final table of the WSOP nightly $500 guaranteed reentry tournament.

I was second in chips with 26.4 big blinds, the chip leader had 96.1 big blinds, 3rd place had 7.4 big blinds and last place had 5.3 big blinds.

The video I have linked at the end of the post will show exactly how the hand went down. After the break, the blinds are 3500/7000, 875 ante. While holding JJ, I am first to act and decide to raise to 3 BB, the chip leader (SB) then 3-bet shoves and BB throws in their final 5.2 BB's. I feel stuck with a big decision as to what to do next, given the ICM implications and 2 very short stacks not in the hand.

After you watch the video, I would genuinely like to know if you all think I made the right decision. And would you have played this differently? Let me know your thoughts.

Thank you and have a great day!

https://screenrec.com/share/DEW1GKNy85

Watching replayer stopped on your opn size 3 bb is not necessary 2bb is fine-
in video you ask are we folding to big stack shove the answer is yes 100% of the time- that is another reason we are using 2bb
we are never folding to the shorties and 2 bb is a huge opn vs them but if the Biggie shoves we save 1 bb

Why 100% fold- we are 90% to get one pay jump when we fold and JJ never has 90% equity----- vs J2 off we have 88% add in the very high possibility of two pay jumps and it is an easy fold-
Our range for calling there is AA but we can even fold that in this extreme spot

 

[Tigroslav]

I would of shoved instead of raising. You're effectively heads up against the chip leader.
JJ is too strong to worry about getting 4th.

 

[300HPGOD]

I think Fundiver hit this one on the head. It really comes down to what we think about villain and how they are approaching the game. Two very small stacks are easy pay jumps for us but JJ is a really good hand 4 handed. I would agree with everyone who posted here regarding the opening sizing. Why are we 3x ing here when the huge stack is not going to be deterred from joining the hand whether you min raise or 3x and the other stacks are so small that any sizing is large to them so cost of entry is high even to a min raise.

I would not open jam here with JJ though. I dont want to put the big stack villain in a spot where they only get involved with us if they have a better hand. My decision would be made before I act pre on whether I am calling a jam or not from the big stack but I would generally min open and then when and if villain jams I am snap calling (with strong hands like JJ). I want them here to jam over me as a scare tactic with many hands that JJ is in really good shape against. If I know villain knows ICM then they will be jamming many hands that are way worse than JJ which is what we should be looking for 4 handed when we have a strong hand.

 

[fundiver199]

and the other stacks are so small that any sizing is large to them so cost of entry is high even to a min raise.

Not only that, but they are so short, that we are committed against them anyway, weather they jam preflop, as they should, or make a fishy call for 30% of their stack. So against the two short stacks our open size is totally irrelevant, and against the chip leader a larger size just help him build the pot and apply ICM pressure on us. Against the chip leader we want to keep the pot as small as possible, unless we can move all-in with fold equity.

 

[dallam]

We have a stack which should survive at least one smaller stack. Big moneys are on the highest places, so we have to overthink our actions, have imaginations about how the party could go with the hands we get, about our position at the table and the game and have notes on the opponents. We would probably not be a contender with 96bbs, but I like the idea of doing an isolation min-bet and grab small stacks into all-in. Of course when chipleader went for it, we had an easy task to protect our position, and not to be greedy when there's more to loose. Nice fold on that one.

 

[Shells]

We have a stack which should survive at least one smaller stack. Big moneys are on the highest places, so we have to overthink our actions, have imaginations about how the party could go with the hands we get, about our position at the table and the game and have notes on the opponents. We would probably not be a contender with 96bbs, but I like the idea of doing an isolation min-bet and grab small stacks into all-in. Of course when chipleader went for it, we had an easy task to protect our position, and not to be greedy when there's more to loose. Nice fold on that one.

If it is me, I agree with this, Jani.

But, apparently, I still have a lot to learn or maybe poker isn't for me if I don't often make plays as suggested in posts up there.

 

[dallam]

If it is me, I agree with this, Jani.

But, apparently, I still have a lot to learn or maybe poker isn't for me if I don't often make plays as suggested in posts up there.

There's a poker series on the net, and turned out on that Phil Hellmuth made a fantastic HU player by two-three peices of advice. Sometimes the basic knowledge and fantasy about the game is there,you only need to change few things to get there. There are not written rules how to play all the hands, and the circumstances always changing, so for me this hand analysis topic is great to get closer to the best way(s), and everyone can take their consequences.

 

[PINOY]

If its me, i will wait for the other 2 to bust if the Chipsleader keeps jamming every hand. I will have around 18 BB as 1 double up my stacks will be 1/3 of his and i will have fold equity against him.

 

[ipagan]

I'm not sure about what i'll say now, but... i was thinking while watching the video - press fold man. It's more than reasonable to just fold and let the small stack player lost. If the chipleader played 4-bet on SB that's the sign that probably he will have a strong hand (maybe AA KK or close to that). If the smallstack player didn't go all-in, then I even wouldn't call his 4-bet, because i'm not on the position and might get in situation when I just lose a lot of chips, because if we get A or K or Q on the flop it becomes very very difficult to raise against much bigger stack. So I think that was a top fold