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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6441199, member: 305911"] I dont like your 4 bet sizing which is something that you already mentioned. You would need to go bigger but the issue going bigger is now you would be getting over 25% of your stack, possibly up to 30% of your stack in pre flop. Usually when you do that you should just get it in but getting it in with JJ here is only getting called by better hands and folding out 1010 and below. Villain will fold AQ which is a plus and possibly AK but I dont think its worth the risk here. Its sounds dumb to just flat here but I think thats our best option given we only have the options of fold, call, 4 bet to at least 8k (26% of our stack) or just jam it in. I hate folding and hate jamming it so that leaves 4 betting to a size with some fold equity or calling. Do you know the villain well enough to know they would fold QQ to a 4 bet? Your image at the table is also key here. I would expect when I call that at least one of the two of the opener and overcaller would come along as well so this sounds really nitty but I think I am just calling here to set mine with some showdown value on certain board runouts. As played, I think you only need one bet here to find out where you are in this hand. I know everyone craps on betting for information which I think most of the time is bad but in this case it part of the benefit of betting here along with folding out AK (assuming AK folds). I think I would be betting 5500 here or so and hope to take it down as my range should look to villain like QQ+. If that bet gets called I would be done with hand unless I hit a miracle card on the turn. After you check, facing that sizing on that board you either have to fold there or turn your hand into a bluff catcher which would mean you would not be folding the rest of the hand. I dont like bluff catching for multiple streets most of the time so as played facing that bet, I fold too but I dont get myself in that spot because if I am 4 betting then I would lead flop here or if I just called pre I could check flop and evaluate based on what villain does. [/QUOTE]

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