$55 NL HE MTT: JJ in 4 bet pot OOP

[Rajten]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

55

VP$IP

27

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

Villain 27, 18, 3b 9

It is bounty bulider 55$, I give you this hand, because I played it poorly and didn't know what to do totally, all advices apprecaited.

pokerstars, $50 + $5 - Hold'em No Limit - 150/300 (40 ante) - 8 players
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UTG: 25,650 (86 bb)
UTG+1: 24,880 (83 bb)
MP: 24,565 (82 bb)
MP+1: 10,060 (34 bb)
CO: 45,148 (150 bb)
BU: 25,323 (84 bb)
SB (Hero): 30,475 (102 bb)
BB: 40,477 (135 bb)

Pre-Flop: (770) Hero is SB with J♣ J♦
2 players fold, MP raises to 600, MP+1 calls 600, CO 3-bets to 2,700, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to 6,000, 3 players fold, CO calls 3,300

Flop: (13,820) Q♥ 8♦ 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 8,983, SB (Hero) folds

Pre flop MP raises very wide, he is 33% vpip, and chipleader 3 bets also very widely in this spots. I don't cold flats 3 bets, but mayby here is spot. My first mistake was, too small 4 bet. I quess I should go around 7k, but what next. What if Mp 5bets all in, or CO. What do you do here, call or fold?

On flop I think that I played very weak. Should I consider cbet, or just call him, one street or call him down after calling flop when he contiune barreling, don't have a clue about this hand, don't know how to play 4 bet pots properly.

 

[eetenor]

Villain 27, 18, 3b 9

It is bounty bulider 55$, I give you this hand, because I played it poorly and didn't know what to do totally, all advices apprecaited.

PokerStars, $50 + $5 - Hold'em No Limit - 150/300 (40 ante) - 8 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat - https://www.cardschat.com/replayer/425639B6M

UTG: 25,650 (86 bb)
UTG+1: 24,880 (83 bb)
MP: 24,565 (82 bb)
MP+1: 10,060 (34 bb)
CO: 45,148 (150 bb)
BU: 25,323 (84 bb)
SB (Hero): 30,475 (102 bb)
BB: 40,477 (135 bb)

Pre-Flop: (770) Hero is SB with J♣ J♦
2 players fold, MP raises to 600, MP+1 calls 600, CO 3-bets to 2,700, 1 fold, Hero 4-bets to 6,000, 3 players fold, CO calls 3,300

Flop: (13,820) Q♥ 8♦ 6♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 8,983, SB (Hero) folds

Pre flop MP raises very wide, he is 33% vpip, and chipleader 3 bets also very widely in this spots. I don't cold flats 3 bets, but mayby here is spot. My first mistake was, too small 4 bet. I quess I should go around 7k, but what next. What if Mp 5bets all in, or CO. What do you do here, call or fold?

On flop I think that I played very weak. Should I consider cbet, or just call him, one street or call him down after calling flop when he contiune barreling, don't have a clue about this hand, don't know how to play 4 bet pots properly.

Ok did not look at results did not read your thoughts yet-stopped preflop on your raise- We always want to have a pre-plan for our hands from preflop to river- what was yours?

(using brackets to indicate edits after my original thoughts)
(after reading your post-your study point is to develop the skill of preplanning
In order to develop the skill of preplanning a hand we have to do it off table often enough that it becomes instinctual because in game it is too distracting to think about what to do based on that hand at that moment
Below I wrote about what some of the things that we need to consider are --when learning to preplan prior to reading your post
I did a quick google search and there are lots of free examples on how to learn to preplan)

What was the plan if the BTN shoved? The pot odds we are giving the BTN and the SPR post flop makes this spot very difficult what is our post flop plan when called? Will the BTN flat AA with SPR of 1.8 more often? BTN calls what range did we preplan for BTN calls?

Flop- you check? Are we trapping? In a 4 bet pot are we just calling down? Do we fear the one overcard? Why give a free card to AK or AT or TT 99 etc? Do we assume this V will bet once? Do we assume this V will fold getting 3-1 on a call vs XR?
We check fold------to a polarized bet on the flop so we give the BTN the exact range of AA KK QQ AQ KQ QJS 88 66 how do we know this is the range?
Why would the BTN choose that sizing with that range?
Polarized sizing means nuts and bluffs yet why polarize with top of range in a 4 bet pot IP on a dry board vs your 4 bet range? Do you know what your 4 bet range is in a spot like this?




Your fold may be correct based on history of the player- they maybe a player that does not understand range vs range situations that big bets only when they have it- if so JJ is an ez fold

 

[300HPGOD]

I dont like your 4 bet sizing which is something that you already mentioned. You would need to go bigger but the issue going bigger is now you would be getting over 25% of your stack, possibly up to 30% of your stack in pre flop. Usually when you do that you should just get it in but getting it in with JJ here is only getting called by better hands and folding out 1010 and below. Villain will fold AQ which is a plus and possibly AK but I dont think its worth the risk here. Its sounds dumb to just flat here but I think thats our best option given we only have the options of fold, call, 4 bet to at least 8k (26% of our stack) or just jam it in. I hate folding and hate jamming it so that leaves 4 betting to a size with some fold equity or calling. Do you know the villain well enough to know they would fold QQ to a 4 bet? Your image at the table is also key here. I would expect when I call that at least one of the two of the opener and overcaller would come along as well so this sounds really nitty but I think I am just calling here to set mine with some showdown value on certain board runouts.

As played, I think you only need one bet here to find out where you are in this hand. I know everyone craps on betting for information which I think most of the time is bad but in this case it part of the benefit of betting here along with folding out AK (assuming AK folds). I think I would be betting 5500 here or so and hope to take it down as my range should look to villain like QQ+. If that bet gets called I would be done with hand unless I hit a miracle card on the turn.

After you check, facing that sizing on that board you either have to fold there or turn your hand into a bluff catcher which would mean you would not be folding the rest of the hand. I dont like bluff catching for multiple streets most of the time so as played facing that bet, I fold too but I dont get myself in that spot because if I am 4 betting then I would lead flop here or if I just called pre I could check flop and evaluate based on what villain does.

 

[fundiver199]

Preflop
I prefer to just call the 3-bet here. Yes it will allow the other two players to stay in the hand, but its a very large 3-bet, so its not like, they are getting that great of a price. And it also leaves you more options. If MP 4-bet, and CO jam, or anything of that nature, you can just fold JJ and be pretty sure, at least one of them have QQ+ the vast majority of the time. The issue with 4-betting is, if someone jam now, you still need to fold, and you lose way more. And if CO call, which he basically always will getting such a good price, now you created a really bloated pot, where you are out of position with a hand, that will face overcards on the flop half the time. You can say "is this not very face up", and it is, unless you also flat AA and KK. But then maybe just do that.

Flop
As played C-bet small with your entire range in a 4-bet pot. If he give action, the main plan is to check-fold turn. Unless of course you spike a set. I would not be turning JJ into a bluff for stacks, because I dont think, he is folding a hand like AQ or KQs.