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Message: [QUOTE="dallam, post: 6674870, member: 338743"] I personally prefer to select some better hands to ever hit a made combination to attack the loose player when he/she is gonna have position advantage of us. Cause we know this player tend to be sticky, the best thing that A8o can generate us is a pair of Ace, unless we need to go bluffing at some point if we wanna take down the pot. And such an unpredictable range can cause hard times, without an Ace and position I assume we can give up easily. So that's a tightness on my side in this spot for sure. :) Seeing the flop tho in the eyes of ranges is still the worst for you, and you block some things as well. BB: Few J can appear here, but the stronger ones may just put them all pre cause the possible dead money. So more likely Jack and a low card in suited. Or J10o. The Q is already a very risky bluff-catcher, in addition to the possible kicker issue. BTN: So its more likely determines to this person. Who we were not totally suprised to see a call pre. However with this enormous 3-bet percentage, I'm quiet confident to say that BTN does the 3-bet with medio pairs as well such as 77+ at least. Or Axs? Anyway, most likely suited hands, straight hands or Axo can be in the calling range. With these informations the worst thing you can come up to raise the flop this way and capitulate on the turn. If you're not sure to bluff this with this kind of air, just don't put more chips in as BTN is a calling station, and will not let this opportunity go. Not even mentioning that apart from the J combinations that this person could have, so many draws and weak Q's appear: like K10, 109, Q10, K9, numerous flush-draws and even some runner XsXs. Or just a very weak pocket like 22+ could not fold here. So many reasons to call that 1/3 bet from position and because of this advantage control the party, maybe sneaking to winning it someway. I can definitely back-up check here and let this go, since we have a reasonable stack to not to broke into something which we are unsure. And it's just great if we can get away our air-hands this easy. Knowing my level my agression and range, opponents, some blocked draws, I would probably represent some serious hand here on flop, and as the Turn is such a blank, simply continue as now all the straight, flush combinations are folding, Q10 and worst had a very hard time on calling, so pretty much the nuts can remain while me can have not only J in my hand too, but from Q the better ones AQ KQ QQ, AK, A10, AA, KK and that's what opponent is definitely stuggle to represent. This does not mean that opponent can't be trappy at all, but by the way of calling only, more of his/her draws are remaining in as well with the actual few value hands. The 3-way is making it hard I agree, but we have an 8, a club, an Ace, and these draws meant to supporting the villain. As the Turn does favour the attempt, as soon as opp not has a J or KQ I think you should be good even tho against a calling-station once you willing to put the right numbers in. Another honorable mention as there was no 3-bet on you on the flop. ((This does not mean that opponent can't be trappy at all, but by the way of calling only, more of his/her draws are remaining in as well with the actual few value hands)) Or once again, just check fold if you unsure. But here the 1 street raise is not an option. [/QUOTE]

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