£5 NL HE MTT: Rush of blood to the head?

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I was in a pub poker tournament where the entry is £5, there is only one buy in, you get 2000 chips, the blinds go up every 20 minutes, starting at 25 and 50.

It is in a league, where the top 3 go through to a regional final and then the winners of that get flown out to Vegas and entered in a tournament free of charge (!)
After 7 weeks, out of 10 weeks, I was in 2nd place.

I had c. 8k chips, which was about the 4th highest stack, on the final table of 8.
We were in the bubble. 8th place gets 20 points, up to first place on 100 points.
There were three people with pretty low stacks, of 2-3 big blinds

The blinds were now 400 / 800
A player, immediately in front of me, UTG, with a stack of c. 20 - 25k, bet 1600 (2x the BB).

I had two Queens.
What would you do against this Middling bet?
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I bet 4k, aiming for a fold or that I had a better hand.
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He went all in.
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What would you do?
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I called. He had two Kings!
Oh woe is me.
Should I have bitten the bullet and folded?
It’s easy to criticize after the event.

If I had called, he would probably have checked the flop, I would have probably bet, say, 3200 - 4000 and he would have come over the top anyway, I suspect, so I think I might have been on a loser whatever transpired. It was difficult for me to guess, he was slow playing.
 
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I would have put him on AA and folded.
 
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Thank you - what about my original bet was that too high, do you think?
 
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No! You ask a question with bet and got an answer! You didn’t listen.
 
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We dont put in more than 30% of our chips preflop and then fold later. In this hand you started with just 10BB, and this is way to little to 3-bet small. Even up to 20BB a 3-bet should usually be a jam, and this is also, what you should have done here. The result does not matter, its just a cooler.
 
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I was in a pub poker tournament where the entry is £5, there is only one buy in, you get 2000 chips, the blinds go up every 20 minutes, starting at 25 and 50.

It is in a league, where the top 3 go through to a regional final and then the winners of that get flown out to Vegas and entered in a tournament free of charge (!)
After 7 weeks, out of 10 weeks, I was in 2nd place.

I had c. 8k chips, which was about the 4th highest stack, on the final table of 8.
We were in the bubble. 8th place gets 20 points, up to first place on 100 points.
There were three people with pretty low stacks, of 2-3 big blinds

The blinds were now 400 / 800
A player, immediately in front of me, UTG, with a stack of c. 20 - 25k, bet 1600 (2x the BB).

I had two Queens.
What would you do against this Middling bet?
---
I bet 4k, aiming for a fold or that I had a better hand.
---
He went all in.
---
What would you do?
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I called. He had two Kings!
Oh woe is me.
Should I have bitten the bullet and folded?
It’s easy to criticize after the event.

If I had called, he would probably have checked the flop, I would have probably bet, say, 3200 - 4000 and he would have come over the top anyway, I suspect, so I think I might have been on a loser whatever transpired. It was difficult for me to guess, he was slow playing.
It's a snap-call GTO-wise, so the hand is played well, though it may depend on your opponent. Are they capable of GTO-jamming or will they jam aces instead? If they 4bet-jam too loose the call is even snapper, too tight - can theoretically be a fold.
 
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It's a snap-call GTO-wise, so the hand is played well, though it may depend on your opponent. Are they capable of GTO-jamming or will they jam aces instead? If they 4bet-jam too loose the call is even snapper, too tight - can theoretically be a fold.
No QQ can not theoretically be a fold preflop for 10BB. There is not a single player in the world, who only get it in pre with KK or AA, when they are this short.
 
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On its own QQ at 10bb is a jam, but it seems there are some kind of ICM considerations here since it sounds like some kind of satellite to another event and OP is going up against what sounds like the chip leader. Not sure if that would be enough to consider maybe not engaging if OP is otherwise 3rd or 4th or 2nd.

It is in a league, where the top 3 go through to a regional final and then the winners of that get flown out to Vegas and entered in a tournament free of charge (!)

After 7 weeks, out of 10 weeks, I was in 2nd place.

I had c. 8k chips, which was about the 4th highest stack, on the final table of 8.
We were in the bubble. 8th place gets 20 points, up to first place on 100 points.
There were three people with pretty low stacks, of 2-3 big blinds

This is too early in the morning for me to make sense of it.
 
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Ok, after the coffee, here is what I make of it:

OP is in a league where top 3 get into a satellite game with a big prize for the winners of that.

OP is currently in 2nd place in the league.

This current game is part of the league and pays points towards the league leaderboard.

OP was on the bubble for this particular game, 4/8 with 8th place taking 20 points and 1st place taking 100 points.

@zedsded how did the leaderboard look like at the time of this game? How far were you from first place and third place on the leaderboard? How many more games were left before the league finished?
 
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No QQ can not theoretically be a fold preflop for 10BB. There is not a single player in the world, who only get it in pre with KK or AA, when they are this short.
Oh, wait, i smh terribly miscalculated the stacks, thought they were both 50BB. Yeah, 10BB deep it is always a snap call in ChipEV scenarios, though we are in a sat so it still may be a fold because the ICM pressure on satellite bubbles is comically large.

I think OP should have jammed over the raise, but idk, maybe in sats it will be optimal to 3bet small (though AFAIK satelliters prefer to jam a lot).
 
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I'm 3bet jamming and cursing the poker gods on my way out the door.

Unless a min cash gets you to the bigger tourney
 
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