$5.5 NLHE MTT Bounty: May 29: $20K Gar.

[1sunchin]

#1

pokerstars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 200/400 (60 ante) - 8 players

Frieling (UTG): 5,028 (13 bb)
pokergenius879 (UTG+1): 27,642 (69 bb)
wellington3344 (MP): 33,189 (83 bb)
Arox86 (MP+1): 29,698 (74 bb)
1numismat (CO): 16,778 (42 bb)
Psicofloyd (BU): 23,416 (59 bb)
SomeFold (SB): 9,370 (23 bb)
gahdukatti (BB): 11,913 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,080) Hero (1numismat) is CO with T♣ T♦
Frieling (UTG) raises to 4,968 (all-in), 1 fold, wellington3344 (MP) 3-bets to 9,536, 1 fold, 1numismat (CO) - ?

 

[IADaveMark]

Nope. You're risking 2/3 of your stack to either 80/20 or 50/50. Probably worse than that since there is a caller already. And there are people left to act.

With 2 people in the pot, you could be up against A, K, Q, and J. And there's about a 65% chance of an over hitting the flop alone. How are you going to feel when an overcard comes out on the turn and one of the live players raises you again?

Walk away.

 

[Endwarfin]

You need to know your opponents. This play is meaningless without context of how your opponents are shoving.

If both of their ranges are 22+,A2s+,AJo+ you have 50% equity.


This is not a straight forward shove or fold.

 

[eetenor]

#1

PokerStars, $4.90 + $0.60 - Hold'em No Limit - 200/400 (60 ante) - 8 players

Frieling (UTG): 5,028 (13 bb)
pokergenius879 (UTG+1): 27,642 (69 bb)
wellington3344 (MP): 33,189 (83 bb)
Arox86 (MP+1): 29,698 (74 bb)
1numismat (CO): 16,778 (42 bb)
Psicofloyd (BU): 23,416 (59 bb)
SomeFold (SB): 9,370 (23 bb)
gahdukatti (BB): 11,913 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: (1,080) Hero (1numismat) is CO with T♣ T♦
Frieling (UTG) raises to 4,968 (all-in), 1 fold, wellington3344 (MP) 3-bets to 9,536, 1 fold, 1numismat (CO) - ?

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Thank you for posting

The data point we want to have is why a min click raise?

This is a bounty the player is ISO raising to get that bounty why the min click? What range min clicks? Would the V min click to induce shoves or to not risk their stack?

Are they min clicking 22-99 AXs KQs etc or JJ-AA

We might now this by having seen a hand in which the villain trapped with a small raise or was afraid to value bet etc. This is where note taking is important.
Stack sizes matter as well as it is a min click but for anyone else to play they all are putting their stacks at risk. So it is a very powerful min click-therefore it does not have to be a nutty min. We would want to know if the V is skilled to understand this.

It allows us to put this spot in context.

Vs standard V with no data my assumption would be the 3 bet is strong the open is strong and I would fold but not happily

 

[1sunchin]

Nope. You're risking 2/3 of your stack to either 80/20 or 50/50. Probably worse than that since there is a caller already. And there are people left to act.

With 2 people in the pot, you could be up against A, K, Q, and J. And there's about a 65% chance of an over hitting the flop alone. How are you going to feel when an overcard comes out on the turn and one of the live players raises you again?

Walk away.

You need to know your opponents. This play is meaningless without context of how your opponents are shoving.

If both of their ranges are 22+,A2s+,AJo+ you have 50% equity.


This is not a straight forward shove or fold.

Thank you for posting

The data point we want to have is why a min click raise?

This is a bounty the player is ISO raising to get that bounty why the min click? What range min clicks? Would the V min click to induce shoves or to not risk their stack?

Are they min clicking 22-99 AXs KQs etc or JJ-AA

We might now this by having seen a hand in which the villain trapped with a small raise or was afraid to value bet etc. This is where note taking is important.
Stack sizes matter as well as it is a min click but for anyone else to play they all are putting their stacks at risk. So it is a very powerful min click-therefore it does not have to be a nutty min. We would want to know if the V is skilled to understand this.

It allows us to put this spot in context.

Vs standard V with no data my assumption would be the 3 bet is strong the open is strong and I would fold but not happily

Very often, players in the middle position make a 3bet with a low pair or medium connectors in order to cut off the same low pairs or medium connectors in late positions. In KO tournaments, due to the influence of bounty, such 3bet will be made with even worse cards.

 

[eetenor]

Very often, players in the middle position make a 3bet with a low pair or medium connectors in order to cut off the same low pairs or medium connectors in late positions. In KO tournaments, due to the influence of bounty, such 3bet will be made with even worse cards.

Thank you for responding

You are correct weaker players do not look at stack sizes or positions and then adjust bets based on that.

That is why I said we want to know what kind of min click this was.

If we can rule out AA-QQ as min click- the V based on stack sizes can flat AA KK here as they want you to shove TT because you are never just calling there with TT

If we can put them on weaker range than we can easily shove this hand profitably.

If however the V understands that they should be shoving under pairs and most of range to get folds and is only min clicking AA-JJ. then we fold.

Table dynamics helps in this spot was it a table that folded often? That did not ISO? Would over call more often?
If so the V will min click AA as they still get shoves from TT etc but do not allow AA cracker hands to over call IP.

The issue with the min click from V is based on stack sizes it is a min click raise- call any shove. Does this V know that? Does the table know that?

Often if V know stack sizes they are playing a tighter range and shoving 90% of that range.

Hope this helps

 

[Tigroslav]

It's a hard fold I think.
To justify playing we would need some very good info on the flat caller.

 

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