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Message: [QUOTE="eetenor, post: 6677101, member: 385063"] My questions where to help you think more deeply about the data we need to decide what to do, not specifically to say do X because X is better When we study we want to take the time to dive deep off the table when we have the time. Diving deep means building ranges for a our V and then refining those ranges on each street because it is that data that powers our decisions. So step 1 is to start with our flop sizing Large bets always narrow ranges even playing most weak players but not as much as a good player would narrow -here we see we were called by IP with a gut shot and BB with top pair- that is not their full preflop ranges but the gutter call is very wide. What that tells us is even the weak IP player is calling with a nut possible draw not just everything - no they should not have called LOL but we know that this player type does this. So take the time to list all the draws on this board that would call a big bet T8off 53? A6? A3dd? etc etc We do the same for made hands and then decide how each villain would play them on flop and turn Next we think about what hands that are ahead of us on this flop that are just flatting- are there any? If we are expecting our V to have 2 overs to our J some made hands and some draws x2 players any turn card good be trouble for us So when the turn card comes it interacts with a few draws but creates more draws- 56 on the flop was open ended but now is pair plus draw The 6 does make some two pair hand We ask ourselves do we want to check or bet- As we saw here betting this size was not great for us because of the runout and the lack of clarity it gave us on the river. So if we new the hands what sizing might we use vs a combo draw hand with an SPR of 1+ bounty and a second V with a top pair draw to two pair hand with a bigger stack? So we then rank our 3 decisions- Check------ bet small for value no folds- ------bet large- pot-size putting bounty all-in- for max value and folds My ranking in this spot as played would be pot1- check2- small3 How would you rank these decisions? What other data would you use to make your turn decision that changes your ranking? [/QUOTE]

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