$4 NL HE MTT: badly played post

[ratbat615]

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Hold'em

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No Limit

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MTT

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pokerstars, $3.92 + $0.48 - Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (20 ante) - 6 players
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EGG 26 (UTG): 4,373 (29 bb)
thecuban0o (MP): 5,000 (33 bb)
Kolka1984 (CO): 6,691 (45 bb)
RafaBrewer (BU): 3,170 (21 bb)
ratbat615 (SB): 16,658 (111 bb)
offensivexD (BB): 19,166 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: (345) Hero (ratbat615) is SB with T♣ T♥
EGG 26 (UTG) raises to 300, 3 players fold, ratbat615 (SB) 3-bets to 1,170, 1 fold, EGG 26 (UTG) calls 870

Flop: (2,610) 4♦ K♥ 9♠ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) checks

Turn: (2,610) 9♣ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) bets 1,305, ratbat615 (SB) folds

Total pot: 2,610
EGG 26 (UTG) wins 2,610

Pre: the villain is under the utg raises to 300 min raise, it folds to me in the sb I 3bet to a little over 1000 so 3x the villains bet bb folds and the utg calls. Now this player has a vpip of 19 after level8, this is where I think I got in my head and put the villain on AK for calling my 3bet. omg you will see.

Flop: Kod 9oh 4od . the k 9 4 should not scare me but it does. I check for information but betting for information is a better move. Checking was a mistake. the villain checks, would Ak check here maybe. but this is good for me maybe i am good.

Turn: 9oc This is where I would say I blundered. I check this is a mistake I just open up the door for the villain to bluff or bet the villain bets 1305 this is a very small bet the pot is 2600 so about 1/3 this is only 300 over what I 3bet which was 1000 so I don't know what i was thinking but I folded.


Summary: this was not my best hand, but this is to show why sea betting is necessary, regardless the flop.

 

[primrose]

You don't have to cbet this actually (though it would be the standard play), you just have to bluffcatch if you don't. It's the combination of underrepping your hand and then also folding to aggression that's the issue; either one of them is usually fine.

 

[fundiver199]

I agree with primrose. Its also an option to just call preflop. It is an UTG open (although only 6-handed), and given his stack size a 3-bet will create a fairly small stack to pot ratio (SPR), where a hand like TT is pretty tough to play out of position. So unless he fold a lot, its almost like, the 3-bet is helping him rather than us. By just calling we do let BB into the hand though.

 

[eetenor]

PokerStars, $3.92 + $0.48 - Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (20 ante) - 6 players
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EGG 26 (UTG): 4,373 (29 bb)
thecuban0o (MP): 5,000 (33 bb)
Kolka1984 (CO): 6,691 (45 bb)
RafaBrewer (BU): 3,170 (21 bb)
ratbat615 (SB): 16,658 (111 bb)
offensivexD (BB): 19,166 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: (345) Hero (ratbat615) is SB with T♣ T♥
EGG 26 (UTG) raises to 300, 3 players fold, ratbat615 (SB) 3-bets to 1,170, 1 fold, EGG 26 (UTG) calls 870

Flop: (2,610) 4♦ K♥ 9♠ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) checks

Turn: (2,610) 9♣ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) bets 1,305, ratbat615 (SB) folds

Total pot: 2,610
EGG 26 (UTG) wins 2,610

Pre: the villain is under the utg raises to 300 min raise, it folds to me in the sb I 3bet to a little over 1000 so 3x the villains bet bb folds and the utg calls. Now this player has a vpip of 19 after level8, this is where I think I got in my head and put the villain on AK for calling my 3bet. omg you will see.

Flop: Kod 9oh 4od . the k 9 4 should not scare me but it does. I check for information but betting for information is a better move. Checking was a mistake. the villain checks, would Ak check here maybe. but this is good for me maybe i am good.

Turn: 9oc This is where I would say I blundered. I check this is a mistake I just open up the door for the villain to bluff or bet the villain bets 1305 this is a very small bet the pot is 2600 so about 1/3 this is only 300 over what I 3bet which was 1000 so I don't know what i was thinking but I folded.


Summary: this was not my best hand, but this is to show why sea betting is necessary, regardless the flop.

To study this spot you want to practice building ranges at different stack depths and table positions.

a great way to start learning ranges is to get GTO WIZARD for free and look at hand range charts. it only does 8 max but you can look at LJ open and SB reaction to that at 25bb and have a good starting spot for further range analysis study.

Equilab also free helps with range study.

 

[sandy358]

PokerStars, $3.92 + $0.48 - Hold'em No Limit - 75/150 (20 ante) - 6 players
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EGG 26 (UTG): 4,373 (29 bb)
thecuban0o (MP): 5,000 (33 bb)
Kolka1984 (CO): 6,691 (45 bb)
RafaBrewer (BU): 3,170 (21 bb)
ratbat615 (SB): 16,658 (111 bb)
offensivexD (BB): 19,166 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: (345) Hero (ratbat615) is SB with T♣ T♥
EGG 26 (UTG) raises to 300, 3 players fold, ratbat615 (SB) 3-bets to 1,170, 1 fold, EGG 26 (UTG) calls 870

Flop: (2,610) 4♦ K♥ 9♠ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) checks

Turn: (2,610) 9♣ (2 players)
ratbat615 (SB) checks, EGG 26 (UTG) bets 1,305, ratbat615 (SB) folds

Total pot: 2,610
EGG 26 (UTG) wins 2,610

Pre: the villain is under the utg raises to 300 min raise, it folds to me in the sb I 3bet to a little over 1000 so 3x the villains bet bb folds and the utg calls. Now this player has a vpip of 19 after level8, this is where I think I got in my head and put the villain on AK for calling my 3bet. omg you will see.

Flop: Kod 9oh 4od . the k 9 4 should not scare me but it does. I check for information but betting for information is a better move. Checking was a mistake. the villain checks, would Ak check here maybe. but this is good for me maybe i am good.

Turn: 9oc This is where I would say I blundered. I check this is a mistake I just open up the door for the villain to bluff or bet the villain bets 1305 this is a very small bet the pot is 2600 so about 1/3 this is only 300 over what I 3bet which was 1000 so I don't know what i was thinking but I folded.


Summary: this was not my best hand, but this is to show why sea betting is necessary, regardless the flop.

Should have rejammed pre ChipEV GTO-wise, LJ is 25BB deep. Though depends on the ICM levels, and the deepstack BB is kind of a concern.

Is the tourney all 6max, or is it just your table? If it is all 6max then VPIP 19 is indeed kinda nitty, but TT is still a good rejamming candidate.

 

[fundiver199]

Should have rejammed pre ChipEV GTO-wise, LJ is 25BB deep.

Yes but Hero is 111 BB deep against the big blind.

 

[sandy358]

Yes but Hero is 111 BB deep against the big blind.

Yeah, so in this scenario should probably just bet UTG's remaining stack size in ChipEV to avoid rare unexpected 111BB jam calls from the BB if they happen to have big pairs.

In practice, again, depends on the ICM levels. With heavy ICM implications you just have around 100% frequency 3x 3bet in similar spots, so the preflop was alright.

 

[JCchon413]

Jamming preflop would be the worst possible play here. The BB could wake up with hands like QQ+. Also UTG only calls with better hands or AK.
3 betting preflop is good, especially in ICM, considering the BB has positional as well as stack advantage over you. If BB 4bets, you just fold. Given that BB folded, UTG's call could mean he has hands like 77 through JJ, AJs+ and AK, AA sometimes flats as a trap considering the low SPR, QQ and KK probably jams more often than not as he knows you are strong enough to call. So QQ and KK can be eliminated.

Now, on the flop, checking is the right play. He knows you could check with hands like KK, sometimes AA and AK as a trap, and TT through QQ for pot control. If he has AA or AK, it is very unlikely that you have AA or AK yourself, so he would most likely bet small to get value from TT through QQ. When he checks back, it means he has more of AJs, AQs, 77, 88, JJ. He could check back with 99 as a trap.

Now, with 9 on the turn, villain rarely has a 99. You can bet out small to get protection from hands like AJ and AQ and value from 77 and 88 with the plan to check river if called. Villain is most likely checking back 77 and 88 and might bluff the air portion, which you can consider calling. I prefer check calling given that sizing, with a consideration to check call river jam on a brick river. Villain sensed your weakness and might be bluff betting with AJ and AQ to get folds from TT through QQ and might bluff all the way to the river. However, with JJ even if he bets turn, he is invariably checking back river. So, i dont love the fold at all.

 

[sandy358]

The BB could wake up with hands like QQ+

We are rejamming LJ there, not the BB, the chances of BB waking up are too low, and again, to rejam 25BB we just need to bet 25BB, no need to put your entire stack out with BB considered.

Also UTG only calls with better hands or AK.

LJ calls with AJo+, ATs+, KJs+ and 77+ and folds 65% of the time. So most of the time we either get the bet and the blinds or flipping and we are dominated comparatively rarely. It is a standard ChipEV rejam.

He knows you could check with hands like KK, sometimes AA and AK as a trap, and TT through QQ for pot control. If he has AA or AK, it is very unlikely that you have AA or AK yourself, so he would most likely bet small to get value from TT through QQ

You actually just range bet on this flop 100% of the time, and for 25% of the pot with TT specifically. You basically have 0% checking frequency on this flop as a SB 3better. I used the 50BB range for SB though, as 25BB ranges do not contain pocket tens as they were rejammed pre 100% of the time, but for the LJ calling range I took was the tighter 25BB version. Nevertheless it still prefers to rangebet.
Again, it can be different with ICM considerations, but we don't have enough info on ICM here.

On the turn, well, we have basically empty ranges as the solver rangebetted on the flop, but in the 0.5% scenario where it checked on the 9c 100% and then folded to a LJ jam around 50% of the time. Considering that the LJ was probably a nit, folding 100% of the time would probably not be that big of an issue.

So turn play was alright, but from the ChipEV GTO perspective preflop and flop were kind of messed up, though playing passively against a nit in general is generally a good way to handle this type of players and especially with potential ICM implications I'd say the hand was handled relatively well.