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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 7166856, member: 397965"] Preflop Standard open. Flop You are 50BB deep and flopped top pair mediocre kicker on a very connected board, where a lot of straight and two pair are available for both players. You hand is definitely not good enough to go bet, bet, jam on most runouts, so you need to play for some pot control by checking either flop or turn. And I kind of prefer to check back the flop, because it takes away his option to check-raise you now, and allow you to call down turn and river on most runouts. Not saying the C-bet is terrible, but I think, checking should be your main play with this hand. You did C-bet though, and you got raised, which completely suck, because now you have a bluff catcher with a weak draw, and you could be drawing dead already, if he has QT. It might seem like a trivial decision to call his raise, but you have to pay 2k to win 6.5k, so you need around 31% equity, and do you really have that? Lets use Equilab to make some calculations. I think, his value range is QT, KJ, K9 and 99. J9 seem a little to weak to check-raise on this board, and KK and JJ 3-bet preflop. Then he of course have some bluffs. T8 is an OESD, but I think, its to weak to raise, unless its T8 of clubs. So I will only give him that as well as AcTc, Ac2c-Ac8c and Qc7c-Qc8c. Of course there are more possible flushdraws, but we need also to leave room for him to sometimes check-call with a draw. So I think, this is fair, and the result is, you have 28% equity. This is not enough, and you dont have great implied odds either. Sometimes you will face a turn jam, which is difficult for you to call, and sometimes you will "get there" but still only chop with QT or lose to a flush. So I think, this is a fold, and this is the main reason to not bet the flop in the first place to avoid getting raised and blown off your equity. Turn This was a good card for you, since you picked up 4 more outs to a straight. But you are facing an overbet jam, and against the same range, I gave him on the flop, your equity only increased to 31%. So its still a fold, as it was already on the flop. Conclusion I think, both the flop and turn calls are long time losing plays, but for me the more important lesson is to not bet this hand on the flop in the first place, unless perhaps the opponent is a known fish, who will call far to much but rarely raise. [/QUOTE]

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