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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 7166223, member: 397965"] Preflop I dont like this call. You are not getting that much of a discount from SB, and you are going to be out of position against 2-3 players with a low SPR, which makes it really difficult to play a drawing hand well. You also set up a very profitable jam for BB with his 25 bigs and a ton of dead money in the pot. I would honestly not have any calling range here at all with your stack size and a field caller involved. If the hand is not good enough to rejam for 28 bigs with decent fold equity, I would just fold it. The bottom of my range would likely be JTs, as far as suited connectors go. Flop This is a great flop for you even though its paired, which always give a small risk, someone might have flopped a boat. I would not hate a donk lead here, because its a multiway pot, and if MP is any sort of player, he is not going to C-bet with just two overcards. If everyone missed, there is a decent chance, you can take it down by betting say 60-70% pot right out the gate. Turn Now you made your flush, and its time to get some value. Its pretty likely, someone could have an ace and not bet the flop, and they are not always going to bet it now either. River Definitely need to go for value now, and your sizing is fine. If you were bluffing, you would not want to go super small and price someone in to hero call you with pocket 5`s or some other very weak hand. However when you get raised, I think, its fair to say, your hand is only a bluff catcher. Maybe he could be value raising a hand like A8, but since he opened from MP, it should only be A8s, and there are only two combos of that. You essentially have the nut low flush, so you lose to all other flushes and boats. His line looks most like a slowplayed or rivered boat. He should not have 83 or 73 for the same reason, he should not have A8o. But even just AA, 88, 77, 33 and A3s is still 12 combos. To simplify the math we can say, that his line is either a boat or a bluff. You are getting around 2:1, so with 12 value combos you need to find 6 bluff combos. Since this is a bluff catching spot on the river, I would like to point the attention to this free training video, which I think is very cool. It introduce the concept of "the bluff box", which is basically a way of saying, how many combos the Villain arrive with on the river, that lack showdown value and therefore MIGTH bluff, if the Villain decide to do so rather than give up. In this case the Villain opened preflop, and then both flop and turn got checked around. This mean, that his range on the river is still anything, he opened preflop and decided to not bet postflop. All his broadways missed and obviously cant call a river bet with another guy left to act behind, so these hands are in the bluff box now. There are 16 combos of KQ, and only 1 of these is a flush. KJ another 16, only 1 is a flush. Even if he only bluff with those combos, that have Kc in them, thats your 6 bluff combos already. If he also bluff KxQc or KxJc, now there are 12 bluff combos. If he dont care about the flush blocker 30 combos. Plus QJs, QTs, JTs not of clubs. Another 9 potential bluffs. So the bluff box is so full, its literally bursting. Which mean, now we need to evaluate, weather the lid has come off. And I would say, it might well have. This is a $33 MTT, and in general you see more bluffing in mid stack games compared to the micros. And even more importantly your line does not look super strong. You checked flop (naturally) but you also checked turn, and so did everyone else. So when you bet the river, it looks like a last minute attempt to steal the pot or some kind of thin value like maybe Ax bad kicker hoping to get a crying call from 99-KK. So I think, you need to close your eyes and make the call here, as you did. And if he did in fact show up with something, you lost to, then it just is, what it is. Not that "guessing his hand" matter all that much, but if you lost, the hand, which for me would make the most sense, is pocket aces. I can definitely see a reg not C-betting AA multiway on a paired board, because its a bit of a way ahead way behind spot, and then on the turn he slowplay, because he has a boat and block top pair. [MEDIA=youtube]hbIQYgjOmds[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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