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Message: [QUOTE="300HPGOD, post: 6881654, member: 305911"] Please don't take this post as I am saying you are wrong but I am questioning it for clarification because I feel like I am missing something/Im not good enough. It could be too that I never play anything close to a $320 online buy in but have some questions for both of you as you both said calling is at least okay. So my main question is why do you both think calling is fine here? First, we are way against the odds calling here to try to get a straight and if we did we are out of position. We are dependent on villain continuing to fire or call our lead, should we lead, if we hit. Not sure how many one pair hands will call if we lead especially for any real sized bet. Maybe we can rely on them to continuing betting but after a call of the turn if we were to make it, I think we will see a lot of check backs on river. Second, I know villain shouldnt be bluffing with Ax here but they could be if they are targeting 8x and Jx hands which we could have as villains range is wide here and so is ours with villain and hero probably knowing both of those perceived ranges so they could attack our potential small one pair hands. They would have to think we would fold those hands but wouldnt we often especially facing a triple barrel with big bet sizings on turn and river (if thats whats coming). This means that we are calling here and we dont even beat some of villains bluffs and that includes sometimes that they may turn 8x into a bluff (although thats less likely imo). Third, what are we doing on the river when we miss (which will be more times than not)? Are we ever bluff leading the river? If we do hit, one of those cards is an ace which if villain does not have will deter them from calling so I feel like we are not always getting called when we hit and lead but if the river was a blank it would not have the "ace effect" and therefore would not get folds from the villain so I personally think our bluffing opportunities on the river are thin at best. Just wondering after we make this call on turn what our plan is for river? So maybe I am jaded cause I normally play micros and wanted to ask both of you your thoughts on this hand and why you think they way you do with respect to calling turn. Im sure I am missing something, thanks in advance for the explanations from both of you and also as always, thanks in particular to Fundiver as your posts have really helped my game. [/QUOTE]

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