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Message: [QUOTE="fundiver199, post: 6880264, member: 397965"] [B]Hand 1 A8o[/B] Preflop From a theoretical standpoint we are supposed to defend less, when there are field callers. So this is actually closer, than most people probably think. The issue with this hand is, that you will most commonly flop a pair, and when you do, its often not the best pair. Either someone else have you outkicked, if you hit an ace, or if you hit an 8, its often second or third pair, especially if you get to the turn and river. So I actually dont think, you are giving up much if any EV by folding, but I would also stick in the call, when his raise is this small. Against a larger open to say 3BB, I would fold though. Flop The board strongly favour your range and also BTNs range, so the preflop raiser should actually not be C-betting light here, if he know, what he is doing. And in top of that BTN has already called. Moreover its a very connected board, where someone (most likely BTN) could already have a straight, and there are many future cards, that are bad for you, since they either bring another overcard to your second pair, or they put a 1-liner to a straight. So once again I dont think, you would be leaving much if any EV on the table by just folding, even though you flopped second pair. But given the small sizing I would also stick in a call and see a turn. But I am certainly not in the mindset, that I think, you probably have the best hand here. Its quite likely, the preflop raiser could have an overpair or a set, and BTN can also have you beat or have a lot of equity with a draw. So I am definitely not raising for protection, and its more of a pot-odds based sigh call than anything else. Turn Now you are facing an overbet on a blank, and this actually makes your decision much easier. You have many better hands to continue with, including those that has some sort of draw. [B]Hand 2 QTo[/B] Preflop This time you are closing the action against just a BTN open, and against this sizing you have to defend anything except complete junk. QTo is certainly not complete junk, so this is an easy call. Or you could throw in a light 3-bet from time to time. Flop When he C-bet this small (20% pot), you are supposed to check-raise more often, including a decent amount of check-raises for protection. You need to balance that out with bluffs, and this hand is a decent candidate for that. You have quite moderate current showdown value but 8 outs to the nuts, so you can even call a 3-bet, unless its to large. So my preference here is to check-raise, but calling certainly beats folding. I would assume, a solver might do some of both, so its not like, calling here is a mistake. Turn Pretty brick card except, that it brings in a backdoor flushdraw, and now he size up to almost full pot. This is much more polarizing that his flop bet, and with only one card to come, you can not call a 3-bet. For that reason I would not check-raise. If you call, you are not getting the right direct odds, so it would be an implied odds type call. And there are things going both against and for you here. Two of your outs will now bring in a potential flush, which is bad, but 6 are still to the nuts, which is good. Its also good, that an offsuit A might improve him to a very strong but second best hand, if he has for instance AA or AK. But its bad to be out of position, because it makes it more difficult to get paid. Its also bad, that you dont have additional equity from overcards. So all in all I think, its another one of those, where folding or calling are pretty close in EV. [/QUOTE]

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