$3.30 NL HE MTT: 77 Squeeze or call

[mariussica88]

Game

Hold'em

Game Format

No Limit

Table Format

MTT

Buy-in

3.30

Game Options

1. Bounty

Currency

$

This is a $3.30 Bounty Tournament, here there is still some playing time before we reach the money places, and also I do not remember the bounties on the players.
Only 7 hands played at this table so not much info on the players.

Do you squeeze here or just calling is ok?

pokerstars, $3.02 + $0.28 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (625 ante) - 7 players
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UTG: 82,052 (33 bb)
MP: 49,014 (20 bb)
MP+1: 9,170 (4 bb)
CO: 42,642 (17 bb)
BU (Hero): 139,564 (56 bb)
SB: 19,750 (8 bb)
BB: 57,826 (23 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,125) Hero is BTN with 7♣ 7♦
UTG raises to 5,000, 2 players fold, CO calls 5,000, Hero 3-bets to 138,939 (all-in), 2 players fold, UTG calls 76,427 (all-in), CO calls 37,017 (all-in)

Spoiler: Result

Flop: (212,996) 9♦ J♠ 5♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (212,996) 7♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (212,996) 6♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 212,996

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows 7♣ 7♦ (three of a kind, Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 41%, Turn: 81%, River: 0%)

UTG shows A♣ 8♣ (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 21%, Turn: 10%, River: 100%)

CO shows K♥ Q♥ (high card, King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 38%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

UTG wins 212,996

 

[monkeytilter]

The problem with shoving here is you let villains (not forgetting BB still to act) play well against you, generally only calling with a range that has you in trouble.

If it was just against one player with 17BB say bvb I'd consider it an acceptable gamble but you're committing too much against the 35BB CO to win a small pot pre Vs potentially crippling your stack flipping (at best) when called.

A non all-in 3 bet squeeze doesn't make a lot of sense either as if you get 4 bet jammed on you're not loving it

I think flat here, you get to apply your positional and skill edge ie. you are now in a spot where villains can make mistakes Vs you rather than you forcing a spot where they play well.

 

[nelomec]

The problem with shoving here is you let villains (not forgetting BB still to act) play well against you, generally only calling with a range that has you in trouble.

If it was just against one player with 17BB say bvb I'd consider it an acceptable gamble but you're committing too much against the 35BB CO to win a small pot pre Vs potentially crippling your stack flipping (at best) when called.

A non all-in 3 bet squeeze doesn't make a lot of sense either as if you get 4 bet jammed on you're not loving it

I think flat here, you get to apply your positional and skill edge ie. you are now in a spot where villains can make mistakes Vs you rather than you forcing a spot where they play well

I agree, I would also play that way, I would call, because the utg has an effective stack that can damage ours, as for the CO I would bet until I bluffed all in to make him give up.

 

[sibkaz]

I also often find myself with medium pocket pairs...))) But if you win, what a thrill! )))

 

[monkeytilter]

I also often find myself with medium pocket pairs...))) But if you win, what a thrill! )))

Your money your choice: either exciting poker or winning poker

 

[Goggelheimer]

IMO a squeeze with 77 vs. an UTG opening range is suicidal,
even in a bounty tournament,
and as said before there are 2 players left that can wake up with a better pair,
reducing the equity of your middle pair enormous.
You have to consider if the bounty is worth risking 3/4th of your stack with a middle pair pre-flop.
A call for set mine ok but no PF AI.
Ever heard of the gap concept?

 

[monkeytilter]

IMO a squeeze with 77 vs. an UTG opening range is suicidal,
even in a bounty tournament,
and as said before there are 2 players left that can wake up with a better pair,
reducing the equity of your middle pair enormous.
You have to consider if the bounty is worth risking 3/4th of your stack with a middle pair pre-flop.
A call for set mine ok but no PF AI.
Ever heard of the gap concept?

I see people going crazy at the possibility of winning a bounty, I did wonder if this was the case here.
Makes these games very profitable for stronger players vs the action junkies?

 

[dannystanks]

Squeezing is fun it’s good you are thinking that way. Against UTG I would be careful with, especially if he is a good player. Also you don’t necessarily have to go all in here, CO is supposed to have a good hand also because he cold called UTGs raise. I think you can still squeeze to get your point across with something smaller and then play it out post flop.

 

[monkeytilter]

Squeezing is fun it’s good you are thinking that way. Against UTG I would be careful with, especially if he is a good player. Also you don’t necessarily have to go all in here, CO is supposed to have a good hand also because he cold called UTGs raise. I think you can still squeeze to get your point across with something smaller and then play it out post flop.

Won't the SPR end up ridiculous though if it becomes a 3 bet pot, even if tiny 3 bet? They're is no play left post flop?

 

[mariussica88]

Ever heard of the gap concept?

No, care to explain? Thanks 🙏

 

[dannystanks]

Won't the SPR end up ridiculous though if it becomes a 3 bet pot, even if tiny 3 bet? They're is no play left post flop?

No.

 

[Goggelheimer]

No, care to explain? Thanks 🙏

It´s simple any later seat calling or raising range has to be stronger than an opening range.
Let’s assume someone opens UTG (normally the strongest range at the table) so about 10% of all hands.

Something like this:



Then your calling or raising range should not look like a button open range like this:


If you call or raise with a range like this you´ll play perhaps GTO(Guess The Outcome) lol.
Instead more like this:


So that you have not only position advantage but also a slightly Nut advantage.


There is a gap in hand strengths.

These are no real examples but a hint and the ranges do not say what to call and who to raise in the later position that depends on you.
It is an older concept, pre GTO times,
solvers are computers that play vs. computers, not humans,
these computers make rare or fewer mistakes post-flop so they can open a wider range than humans in later positions.
Another good portion of this concept is if all players would play like this, it can reduce multiway hands a lot.
HU hands are much easier to play.

 

[eetenor]

This is a $3.30 Bounty Tournament, here there is still some playing time before we reach the money places, and also I do not remember the bounties on the players.
Only 7 hands played at this table so not much info on the players.

Do you squeeze here or just calling is ok?

PokerStars, $3.02 + $0.28 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,250/2,500 (625 ante) - 7 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: 82,052 (33 bb)
MP: 49,014 (20 bb)
MP+1: 9,170 (4 bb)
CO: 42,642 (17 bb)
BU (Hero): 139,564 (56 bb)
SB: 19,750 (8 bb)
BB: 57,826 (23 bb)

Pre-Flop: (8,125) Hero is BTN with 7♣ 7♦
UTG raises to 5,000, 2 players fold, CO calls 5,000, Hero 3-bets to 138,939 (all-in), 2 players fold, UTG calls 76,427 (all-in), CO calls 37,017 (all-in)

Spoiler: Result

Flop: (212,996) 9♦ J♠ 5♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Turn: (212,996) 7♠ (3 players, 3 all-in)

River: (212,996) 6♣ (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: 212,996

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows 7♣ 7♦ (three of a kind, Sevens)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 30%, Flop: 41%, Turn: 81%, River: 0%)

UTG shows A♣ 8♣ (a straight, Five to Nine)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 32%, Flop: 21%, Turn: 10%, River: 100%)

CO shows K♥ Q♥ (high card, King)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 38%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

UTG wins 212,996

We are flatting here77 is just not strong enough to shove- we want to protect our stack as we cover the table. Solver has 88 shove but only 16% of the time we raise and flat 88 mix When you shove and the V both call it indicates how poorly they play which means we have a significant edge but by shoving and flipping we just eliminated that edge ourselves- It is ok to take a more passive line in marginal spots if our V are going to give away equity later.

 

[Mortis]

You're projecting the role as the chip bully after shoving your big stack, which actually may show a greater chance of weakness in your hand to the other players. With the CO calling here, it would have been best to just flat call. If the CO would have folded, then it would have been okay to reraise to about 12,500 if you wanted to show some aggression. If the villain were to reraise you after that or shove themself, then I would get away from the hand. UTG could easily have a solid pocket pair (TT-AA) or a top drawing hand (AK, AQ, AJ). You are probably a 52/48 at best right now, or a 20/80 if they have a better pocket pair, risking about 2/3 of your chip stack.

So, as played, I would go flat call and see a flop. But it's almost a fold after that to a bet if you don't hit your 7 or if you see an Ace, especially with not much information on your opponents. No need to risk so much.

 

[Bhargav]

I would not risk my stack for 77. It's a coin flip. Luck was never on my side, atleast most of the time.