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Hi forum,

I'd be curious to get your ideas on this hand I played.

pokerstars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,500/3,000 (375 ante) - 9 players
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pseudoqwack (UTG): 87,337 (29 bb)
AndyreasDE (UTG+1): 78,239 (26 bb)
FABIOSJCBR (MP): 77,208 (26 bb)
InLoving (MP+1): 116,190 (39 bb)
Gucci Manes (LP): 195,096 (65 bb)
gamawockie (CO): 64,893 (22 bb)
Alikemal23 (BU): 177,483 (59 bb)
seb iland (SB): 102,411 (34 bb)
liepisco (BB): 99,471 (33 bb)

Pre-Flop: (7,875) Hero (AndyreasDE) is UTG+1 with K♠ K♥
1 fold, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) raises to 6,000, 1 fold, InLoving (MP+1) calls 6,000, 4 players fold, liepisco (BB) calls 3,000

Flop: (22,875) 6♦ 5♠ 4♣ (3 players)
liepisco (BB) checks, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) bets 9,000, InLoving (MP+1) calls 9,000, liepisco (BB) calls 9,000

Turn: (49,875) Q♣ (3 players)
liepisco (BB) checks, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) bets 15,000, InLoving (MP+1) calls 15,000, liepisco (BB) raises to 45,000, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) raises to 62,864 (all-in), InLoving (MP+1) folds, liepisco (BB) calls 17,864

River: (190,603) A♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 190,603

Showdown:
AndyreasDE (UTG+1) shows K♠ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

liepisco (BB) shows 7♣ 3♣ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

liepisco (BB) wins 190,603

My thinking was as follows:
I was fairly aware of the straight opportunities on the flop but I doubted that MP+1 would have called with cards like 32-87 as he was playing quite tight. I didn't have a read about the BB, but I didn't think he'd call with those cards either. So I dediced to c-bet.

On the turn, I was aware about the additional flush outs but since the flop was three different colours, it was quite probable a same colour would repeat. So I bet again and faced the raise of BB. I called cause I obviously need to overcome my weakness for PP. :ROFLMAO: Additionally there was already more than 1/3 of my stack in the pot beforehand.

But some questions for you:
  • Do you think it would have made a difference if I bet something like 2.2-2.5 BBs preflop?
  • Would you have c-bet this wet flop?
  • Would you have bet the turn again?
  • Would you have called his raise?
 
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Preflop
Min-raise is completely fine with these stack sizes.

Flop
This is a terrible flop for an overpair. Its not only, that a lot of hands already beat you, its also that a lot of other hands have loads of equity with some kind of draw. You say, its unlikely, MP+1 flopped a straight, and I kind of agree with that, even though some people will certainly call suited connectors, even when they should fold. However BB is absolutely supposed to defend not only with 98s but also with 98o and 73s, so its not even like, he made a mistake here. So this is a spot, where you have to check for pot control and be ready to lay those cowboys down, if you face a lot of action.

Turn
Both opponents just called you on the flop, and this was a good disconnected card, which improved very few hands, that did not beat you already. So I do like betting here, but when you get raised, its time to let it go. BB is not bluffing into two players with so little stack left behind, and he is also not raising a worse hand like 99 thinking, that its for value. So this is a classic bet-fold spot, which is kind of the bread-and-butter of micro and low stakes poker.
 
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Andyreas said:
Hi forum,

I'd be curious to get your ideas on this hand I played.

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Hold'em No Limit - 1,500/3,000 (375 ante) - 9 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

pseudoqwack (UTG): 87,337 (29 bb)
AndyreasDE (UTG+1): 78,239 (26 bb)
FABIOSJCBR (MP): 77,208 (26 bb)
InLoving (MP+1): 116,190 (39 bb)
Gucci Manes (LP): 195,096 (65 bb)
gamawockie (CO): 64,893 (22 bb)
Alikemal23 (BU): 177,483 (59 bb)
seb iland (SB): 102,411 (34 bb)
liepisco (BB): 99,471 (33 bb)

Pre-Flop: (7,875) Hero (AndyreasDE) is UTG+1 with K♠ K♥
1 fold, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) raises to 6,000, 1 fold, InLoving (MP+1) calls 6,000, 4 players fold, liepisco (BB) calls 3,000

Flop: (22,875) 6♦ 5♠ 4♣ (3 players)
liepisco (BB) checks, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) bets 9,000, InLoving (MP+1) calls 9,000, liepisco (BB) calls 9,000

Turn: (49,875) Q♣ (3 players)
liepisco (BB) checks, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) bets 15,000, InLoving (MP+1) calls 15,000, liepisco (BB) raises to 45,000, AndyreasDE (UTG+1) raises to 62,864 (all-in), InLoving (MP+1) folds, liepisco (BB) calls 17,864

River: (190,603) A♣ (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: 190,603

Showdown:
AndyreasDE (UTG+1) shows K♠ K♥ (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 81%, Flop: 4%, Turn: 0%, River: 0%)

liepisco (BB) shows 7♣ 3♣ (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 19%, Flop: 96%, Turn: 100%, River: 100%)

liepisco (BB) wins 190,603

My thinking was as follows:
I was fairly aware of the straight opportunities on the flop but I doubted that MP+1 would have called with cards like 32-87 as he was playing quite tight. I didn't have a read about the BB, but I didn't think he'd call with those cards either. So I dediced to c-bet.

On the turn, I was aware about the additional flush outs but since the flop was three different colours, it was quite probable a same colour would repeat. So I bet again and faced the raise of BB. I called cause I obviously need to overcome my weakness for PP. :ROFLMAO: Additionally there was already more than 1/3 of my stack in the pot beforehand.

But some questions for you:
  • Do you think it would have made a difference if I bet something like 2.2-2.5 BBs preflop?
  • Would you have c-bet this wet flop?
  • Would you have bet the turn again?
  • Would you have called his raise
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In spots like this we want to study effective betting strategies---We are thinking about what do we want to accomplish with this hand on that board--as fundiver stated this is not a stack off board 3 way in a single raised pot---If we are not trying to get our stack in what are we trying to do with our flop bet? If we want to get the hand head-up is this the sizing for that? If we are trying to get to showdown does 40% flop get us a turn check 3 way. When this board hits flop we have to know how far down the value tree KK is 3 way including the BB- there are 3 straight combos 3 set possiblilties- 3 different two pair combos sets 65-64 54 We are not even crushing 76s 75s---- and this is a fun exercise using the cardschat odds calculator if we give the one V 76cc the other 99hd KK is 43% to win-76 is -47% ---fundivers point is correct we do not want to play for stacks in this spot so our betting strategy has to reflect that
 
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  • Do you think it would make a difference if I bet something like 2.2-2.5 BBs pre-flop? bet low a lot of players entered the hand.
  • Did you c-bet on this wet flop? half a pot
  • Would you have bet on the turn again? would depend on the opponent's action on the flop.
  • Would you have paid his increase? never.
 
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